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frederick



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Help - Francis Taylor Abertillery B. 1899, Taylor family  Reply with quote

Can anyone help to find information on Francis Taylor who served and survived ww1, believed to have died in the 1940's and was given a military funeral. Francis lived in oxford street abertillery, married 1920
to Doris Mercy, he came from a large family had two brothers and two sisters (taylors ) also 3 half brothers and one half sister ( longs ). Any information on these families during the 1940's would be appreciated

Taylors - Longs - Hales all from oxford st. and surrounding area.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if there is a connection here for you, just a shot in the dark.

Mrs Mary Taylor 9 Oxford Street purchased a grave for her husband in Blaenau Gwent Baptist Chapel  

18th December 1907 Row 40 Grave 039

Good luck with your search
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this entry for a Francis Taylor 95 Alma Street buried in St Paulís Cwmtillery 3rd December 1942 aged 43. 2/691
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Francis Taylor abertillery Reply with quote

Hi Frederick.Don`t know if you`ve details of his parents etc?
1901 Census  ;- 2 Oxford Street Abertillery

John Taylor Father married aged 33yrs born Gloucester
Mary E "      Mother   "           "     29yrs   "     Cinderford
John Taylor   son      Single     "       8 yrs         Tredegar
Elizabeth A     Dau         "         "      5 yrs          Abertillery    
Frances          son          "         "       2yrs   "       Abertillery

Cannot find him with Family in 1911  have  a Frances Taylor nephew aged 12yrs living with an Uncle T Gardiner in Blaenavon. will try and find his parents
Found his marriage Jan/Feb/march  1920
Francis Taylor To Doris Mercy     Vol 11a  Page 119,
Can`t find and war record for him in 14/18 War   unless he was a boy soldier  12 yrs in 1911 .
Will keep digging
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: francis taylor Reply with quote

Thanks for your help
Mary Ellen Taylor was my maternal grandmother, her first husband was John Taylor ( my grandfather ) who died in 1907, before his death he fathered 5 children, one of which was my mother.

Mary Ellen remarried to Frederick J. Long in 1919, another 4 children came from this marriage.

I am researching my family history and although i am aware of a lot of info there are still holes that I would like to fill. Thank you for the burial details of John Taylor, I did not know these.

Frederick
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello again Lyndon 1955

Francis taylor ( my uncle ) did live in alma st., so it looks like you have found the right man. my searches so far have not produced many results. to have his death date and burial place is real progress, thank you.

Francis served in ww1 and so far I have drawn a blank with any information - the only thing I know is that he survived, family story is that he received either the military medal or the military cross and had a military funeral. I have searched on Ancestry, but no luck, i do not know what unit he was in or his service no. I would love to know more of his military years, so all information is helpfull.

Thank you
Frederick
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello dragon girl

thanks for your reply. I have seen this census and it is the correct
family, the marriage details are also correct, like yourself  the military side is a mystery Francis was born in 1899 not sure about him being a boy soldier, the ww1 war records that are online may not be complete
there must be some information out there somewhere.

I really appreciate your help and any information  may help to fill in holes in my family history.
Francis was my uncle although I lived in oxford street during the ww2
years, I was very young and sadly  have no memory of him.

Thaks again
Frederick
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Francis Taylor abertillery Reply with quote

Hi Frederick.
Searched all the Army records for 1914/18 nothing fits But on the Second World War sheets there a Francis Taylor living in Hereford
born in Monmouthshire  died 1942. To much of a co incidence do you think-could he have been stationed at Hereford?
I`ll find the printout s tomorrow# they should have his war records- could be he was stationed in Hereford but Alma Street was his Mother`s or his wife`s home He was sill fairly young and the war was still on maybe we can sort it Fingers crossed!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dragon girl

Francis is proving to be very hard to track, like you i have searched ww1 records and could not find him.

I do not know if the Francis you have found in ww2 is the same man
but I think it  unlikely, but then again anything is possible.

The family memories are, that Francis was attending the poppy day ceremony in London, caught a chill became ill and died some time after, cannot confirm story but sounds plausible.

I also believe he had a daughter called Dorothy but cannot confirm this.

He is quite a challenge but I dont want to give up on him, thanks for helping.

frederick
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: 1911 census Taylor family Reply with quote

1911 Census , Taylor family, Abertillery.


                In 1911 the family were living at 9 Oxford St. Abertillery South Wales -see below.



Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age  Birth
Year Occupation  Where Born Original
census
image
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  176  TAYLOR, Ellen Head Widow  F 38  1873  Abertillery Mon  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Johnn Son  M 18  1893 Baker  Tredegar  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Elizabeth Daughter  F 15  1896  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Frank Son  M 12  1899  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Harry Son  M 9  1902  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Ellen Daughter  F 4  1907  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Albert Son  M 0  1911  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  LONG, Fred Boarder Married  M 39  1872 Stoker Colliery  Bath  VIEW  
  176  KENNY, Jerry Boarder Single  M 38  1873 Gas Stoker  Bath  VIEW
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In 1911 the Taylors were living at 9 Oxford St. at that time Mary Ellens husband John Taylor ( my Grandfather ),
was deceased, he died at the end of 1907.
Mary had 6 children plus 2 boarders livig with her,  Ellen Taylor born 1906 aged 4yrs, being one of them ( in the census, year of birth is given as 1907, but her actual birth year was 1906 ).
John Taylor was deaf and dumb, I remember him covered in flour and calling him Uncle jack.
Francis was living here in 1911 given name Frank.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Francis Taylor Abertillery Reply with quote

Hi Frederick,
SUCCESS at last. He was awarded the DISTINGUISHED SERVICE MEDAL  1914-1920.
  it reads, 33262 Private Francis Taylor, 2nd Batt South Wales Borderers of ABERTILLERY .
At ZILBEKE, on 28th September 1918. for most conspicious Gallantry
and determination he assisted in    the Capture of an enemy Pillbox
which was offering stubborn resistance, Working around to the back he
charged two of the enemy killing one, he himself was baynoted by the other one, but he killed him and the rest surrendered.
Again on 29th Sept he bought in his severley wounded Platoon Sergeant,under heavy machine gun fire, He did splendidly !!!!!

Very well done that man !!!!what a citation for a twenty year old ,so pleased I found him Do you have his medal in the Family?
Think I deserve a cup of coffee now !
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done dragongirl. Fantastic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Francis Taylor Hero Reply with quote

Hi  dragongirl

I'm absolutely gobsmacked, you have done a marvellous job and I cant thank you enough, you deserve a medal yourself.

This is fantastic news and a really worthwhile result, at the moment all i want to do is keep reading your post, once it has all sunk in, I'm going to spread the word.

I dont know if anyone in the family has the medal.

Brilliant job, thank you, enjoy your cofee

Frederick
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: FRANCIS TAYLOR HERO Reply with quote

Hi Frederick.thought you would be chuffed. forgot to add to last post that ZILLBEKE is in France a few miles south of YPRES so you`ll know the area. I must admit when I first read it I thought it was South Africa
----my poor Geography Master must be spinning in his Grave !!!!

Found 4 births for Mercy /Taylor in Bedwelty all girls if Frances with an "E" is female!!
Ruby M Taylor mother Mercy  Bedwelty    June 1920
Mary E       "       "             "           "           Sept 1920  one of these is either wrongly transcribed or it was a miracle birth.!!!!
Marian  Taylor   mother  Mercy       "       June  1922
Frances D Taylor     "          "             "     March 1926
would this be Dorothy do you think ?
No more births ---checked up to 1930.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
chuffed I am, went to Ypres a few years ago, if you haven't been would recommend it, a very atmospheric and emotional area.

not sure about Dorothy I cant remember where I got this from, I would have thought marian a more likely candidate, I'l have to check
my file.

thanks again

Frederick

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