are saying that swearing is the result of bad parenting and that children or teens who swear have bad parents? I hope Tchambles is taking note of this topic since I have seen a few examples of her unsavoury language prior to it's deletion by the mods or admin some time back. I must agree that it did portray a distinct lack of respect for users and members of a public forum as well as the particular councillor and PM it was aimed at.
Swearing is not necessarily due to bad parenting although it can be the result of a poor education from one generation to the next if since people are unable to find an alternate way to express themselves. It is also very much a part of todays lifestyle, few children or parents attend church or chapel these days where swearing was always frowned upon it was disrespectful to others to swear in public. Today if you watch tv and films all the celebs and good guys swear it's thought to be cool or at least few take any notice of it, and kids tend to emulate their idols. Parents are too busy working to censor all their offsprings activities, maybe they should x rate music festivals, football and rugby matches. _________________ Never a borrower or a lender be
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Parenting//Abertillery Children
ADRIAN MONK wrote:
"Parenting" was somehow mentioned on the' Rail Link Topic'. I think it's worthy as it's own Topic. On seeing daily the appaulling behaviour of many "Parents", I'm slightly ashamed to sometimes think people should be assesed before they are allowed to become Parents. I'm aware of an impending birth, this child will undoubtedly be a third generation "swearer" from the example (bad) it surely will be set by parents and grandparents. Swearing and Respect are closely linked.
How can anyone judge another about parenting skills?
Yes some parents don't set a good example but there are those that do.
Children will pick up bad language anywhere.... the streets, tv, school, and even the internet.
I am a parent and i will not be judged on how i bring up my offspring!
The theory is that parents teach thier children what is right and what is wrong, that's a parents job. I know it's not good parenting to constantly swear at your children. Yes I can judge, I judge the mother who pushed and dragged her child through Tescos' making threats what would happen to him if he didn't stop f'ing doing this and f'ing doing that! F'ing was the mildest expletive she used. A social worker when interviewed on the radio said " It' as if parents tell thier children at different ages what behaviour/crimes they can commit without getting punished.
Hmmm and i wonder if Adrian monk has children?
yes i agree it is bad parenting to swear at a child in that manner but there are also a number of parents out there that have taught thier children right from wrong me being 1 of them.
children can be very testing on times even those with all the best parenting skills break at some point.
but like i said before even if the parent don't swear at the child they will still pick it up in places like the park, school, on the streets, on tv and the internet to name just a few.
and its not only the children of Abertillery that swear its WORLD WIDE!! _________________ when nobody knows nothing someone knows something!
Whitedove, far be it from me to stick up for Adrian but I don't he said that ALL parents are failing their children nor did he say you were personally. He said many are and I for one think he is right. I get very annoyed at the disrespect shown by many (not all) youngsters to pretty much anyone. Really though, it should be their parents I am annoyed at. Of course, there are many, many well-behaved, courteous young people in this area but there are many that are not. _________________ The compliments pass when the quality meet.
Whitedove, far be it from me to stick up for Adrian but I don't he said that ALL parents are failing their children nor did he say you were personally. He said many are and I for one think he is right. I get very annoyed at the disrespect shown by many (not all) youngsters to pretty much anyone. Really though, it should be their parents I am annoyed at. Of course, there are many, many well-behaved, courteous young people in this area but there are many that are not.
martyn i was actually agreeing with Adrian monk if you care to read my second post.
i know his forum wasn't directed at me in anyway.
but the topic of this discussion is parenting//Abertillery children!
As i said in my last post its not just the children/parents of Abertillery that swear Its WORLD WIDE.
but who are we to judge on how ppl bring up there offspring?
you are not born with a book on how to be a good parent its something we have to learn and yes mistakes are made along the way there is no such thing as a ''perfect parent''.
its not just down to bad parenting children pick up swear words everywhere not just in the home! _________________ when nobody knows nothing someone knows something!
Don't you think that assessing people before allowing them to become parents is a bit fanatical Mr. Monk. I get fed up of the twee po faced 5 a day brigade but I don't think even they would not take things this far. What do you suggest sterilsing them if they utter a profanity, herding them into a labour camp until they learn to obey societal rules.
There are good and bad parents I agree and some are certainly not very good role models setting examples for the next generation. Swearing at your kids obviously will pertetuate the same practice in their offspring since they don't know any other form of existence and although it does represent a certain lack of respect. Parents can't be blamed for everything the pc brigade have made it more and more difficult for parents and teachers to discipline children without some form of criticism of their methods
I wonder if the parents of the expenses debarcle took them to one side and explained exactly what crimes they would be allowed to get away with and that failure can often be rewarded by peerages. _________________ 'Unqualified Jedi Knight'. Are Dildo Baginses Hobbit Forming? Is Muffing the Mule a Crime? Makers of Flabbers to be Ghasted!
Whitedove, we judge people on how they bring up their children all the time. Didn't you get a tad annoyed at the treatment Baby P go handed out? We also have a very busy social services department who spend a great deal of time dealing with parents who hace been judged to be failing their children in some way. If you don't want to judge parents then don't but you are in a minority.
I do accept of course that there are many different ways to bring up children and how I bring up mine is not maybe how you would bring yours up. That's fine so long as both our sets of kids grow up to be reasonably well-behaved, well-balanced young adults. But many don't. _________________ The compliments pass when the quality meet.
The Topic is " Abertillery Children ", not children Worldwide . My point is parents should lead by example, right from wrong ect ,what the child chooses to do is thier choice, but they should be steered in the right direction. Yes I do have children, and it wasn't always easy being a parent.
The Topic is " Abertillery Children ", not children Worldwide
EXACTUALLY !!!!
Adrian its nice (yes i'm being sarcastic) to see that you only see bad in children in 1 town and that town being ABERTILLERY!
and you can't tell me that you have never swore in front of/at your children at some point in their lives?.
Altho i do agree that there are some bad parenting around! _________________ when nobody knows nothing someone knows something!
Whitedove, we judge people on how they bring up their children all the time. Didn't you get a tad annoyed at the treatment Baby P go handed out? We also have a very busy social services department who spend a great deal of time dealing with parents who hace been judged to be failing their children in some way. If you don't want to judge parents then don't but you are in a minority.
I do accept of course that there are many different ways to bring up children and how I bring up mine is not maybe how you would bring yours up. That's fine so long as both our sets of kids grow up to be reasonably well-behaved, well-balanced young adults. But many don't.
as i remember Baby P was on the at risk register?
yes maybe some parents do need parenting skills but some are perfectly able to bring up children very well... its seems by the wording in this forum that every parent is being judged... maybe the wording should be changed? _________________ when nobody knows nothing someone knows something!
Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Parenting//Abertillery Children
WhiteDove wrote:
ADRIAN MONK wrote:
"Parenting" was somehow mentioned on the' Rail Link Topic'. I think it's worthy as it's own Topic. On seeing daily the appaulling behaviour of many "Parents", I'm slightly ashamed to sometimes think people should be assesed before they are allowed to become Parents. I'm aware of an impending birth, this child will undoubtedly be a third generation "swearer" from the example (bad) it surely will be set by parents and grandparents. Swearing and Respect are closely linked.
How can anyone judge another about parenting skills?
Yes some parents don't set a good example but there are those that do.
Children will pick up bad language anywhere.... the streets, tv, school, and even the internet.
I am a parent and i will not be judged on how i bring up my offspring!
If you`re being judged, then you`re being judged. Nothing you can do about that except disagree with the conclusions. Some people get very defensive about this topic; nobody`s pointing the finger at you so why the indignation?
There is a world of difference between a supposedly responsible adult telling their own offspring in public to f*** off (it happens) and playgound effing and jeffing between kids. Anyway, such actions by parents tell you much more than that they don`t know how to use words of more than one syllable. It tells you that they don`t have respect for their own children, which will run a lot deeper than a bit of bad language.
As I was the one to mention parenting in the other thread I should comment I suppose.
There are good parents and bad parents. My original comment was highlighting the fact that a lot of our youngsters in Blaenau Gwent (as that was what the internet article I read was about) need help from public bodies in building social skills and self-confidence. My perception of this is that we have a lot of parenting failures in BG - it's surely mum and dads role to teach kids how to socialise and instil self confidence. I don't think it's just BG affected either.
Kids are kids.....they don't come into this world knowing right from wrong or how to aspire and reach goals. Its up to us parents to show them the way. It's a tough job - the hardest any of us will ever have. There's a lot of ups and downs, but it's fab when you see them becoming independent and confident. .
A teacher friend told me that that on parent/teacher night the parents she really needs to speak to are the ones that can't be bothered to turn up.
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