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Tony B



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:00 pm    Post subject: Seeking information on WILTSHIRE family  Reply with quote

I'm seeking information on my Mother's family. She was Ruby Dorren Banner Nee Wiltshire B 1914. My research so far shows her parents Thomas and Elizabeth Jane Nee Samuels were living at 42 Duke Street in 1911.

I'd like to track down a family legend that my Grandmother Elizabeth was Doctor's daughter 'Who married beneth herself'. Charming phrase.  Very Happy Anty suggestions as to where locally they might have married or scources would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:30 am    Post subject: Seeking information on Wiltshire family Reply with quote

Bit of a minefield, as it's spelt so many different ways, forgetting Wilshire, somewhere along the line Wiltshire in some cases particularly in the Six Bells area changed their surname to Wilsher.
Don't know if it's a Six Bells family but if you google sixbellsstories. tripod. com the census records are in the top left hand corner.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me about it! Wiltshire and derivitives are very popular in the area. I do know the spelling and information are acurate so far. My Mother mentiuoned a place called Cwm Street, which I've not been able to find, is it a local name? I do have one very old photo of my Mother and Grandma, plus another woman who may have been a great aunt called Jane Wiltshire outside a terraced house, My parents moved to Jersey in the Channel Islands, so though my ancestry is Welsh I've always been a Crapaud (French for Toad), slang for a Jersey man. Though with Grandkids now, if I don't record what I know they will loose thier heritage. Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:18 pm    Post subject: Seeking information on Wiltshire family Reply with quote

Cwm Street,was part of Somerset Street, Abertillery, seen Wilthshire's living there, but not the names you mentioned.
There was a Thomas Wiltshire living Vivian Street, Abertillery, that purchased a grave for a child at Blaenau Gwent Cemetery dated 06 May 1913, may help, think positive.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. My Mother mentioned something about 11 Cwm Street,  Ask a stupid question, but was it usual for families to move house often then? Unfortunatley a sshe died in 1999, it is no longer possible to ask what I should have. As Mum was born 1914, she is not on the 1911, census.

The 1911 adress is 42 Duke Street. Checking copy of birth certificate. Farther Thomas, Coal Hewer. Mother Elizabeth Jane and the adress is Duke street.  Place of birth 42 Duke Street.  So if the same number of people as the 1911 census + 1 = 7 people in the house .And we think we're hard done by?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joys of Google earth. The end of Duke street does fit a description I was told, the end of the street was on the edge of the mountain.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:29 am    Post subject: Seeking information on Wiltshire family Reply with quote

Hi Tony, - my understanding was Somerset Street went as far as the Officers Club and then the remainder of the street to the memorial was Cwm Street.
Looked at the purchasers of graves for Blaenau Gwent Cemetery and none listed for Duke Street, there's a Mrs M A Wiltshire of Somerset Street purchasing a grave for her husband dated 11.02.1908 and an Aaron Wiltshire of Cwm Street purchasing a grave for his brother 0n 22.02.1907.
Believe the original Cwm Street sign is in the officers club.
May have seen a Ruby Wilsher or spelt your way on the facebook site Six Bells the early years, there's a few Wilshers on there.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, and no pun intend (OK only a small one) You are a mine of information!  Laughing  I think Grandfather worked in Six Bells. I intend to visit the area next year and reaslly want to include the Big Pit on the intenary. My Farther was always very firm that he never wanted me to be a miner. I always wondered as Jersey is a bit short of any mines. Doing this research I found he had a brother Fred who killed aged 18 in a mining acident at Llwynpia No2 in 1914.

My Grandparents on Mum's side died when I was about six, as I was living in Jersey I've no real memeories of them.

I have tracked my parents marriage Pontypridd in 1934, but your help invaluable for fleshing out details. Many Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:24 am    Post subject: Seeking information on Wiltshire family Reply with quote

Hi Tony, - not been to St. Hellier for many a year, used to go in the sports bar down on the harbour with about 100 TV's upstairs, you could watch any sport you liked in there.
Believe Llwynpia is East Glamorgan, don't know if individual accidents are on welshcoalmines.com but all the pits are on there.
The local pits can be found on Out Of The Blue Artifacts, just post Graham on there, he's very good.
Let you know if anything crops up for Duke Street.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again. Doubt you'd recognise Jersey now, so much building on the Waterfront. I did find the bare deatils of Fred's acident through Ancestry.co, but would like to find his grave, if only so the family dosen't forget.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:12 am    Post subject: Seeking information on Wiltshire family Reply with quote

Most of the Wiltshire's buried up Cwmtillery are more modern day 70's & 80's.
There was a Mary Ann Wiltshire of 141 Somerset Street buried up Blaenau Gwent on 19.02.1930 she was 78.
Don't know how the numbering system worked down there but fair chance that it was regarded as Cwm Street and not Somerset back then.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. Will start hunting parish records now, see if I can track down any of the aunts and uncles.

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