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Carolyn



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: WIND FARM Reply with quote

Will make for a good view, don't you think?




Cwmtillery has taken this up again but appathy rears it ugly head once again in both Abertillery and Cwmtillery, the latter will be the most affected in some respects. What are your views in Abertillery?

http://www.cwmtillery.com/news/windfarm.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may not be free to roam to take a photo like this in the future.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it was too much to hope they had moved on elesewhere looking for new pastures to blight. I made my opinion known on the Cwmtillery site here http://www.voy.com/14497/1593.html

If you hear about any SCAM events Carolyn then please let me know. From what Les says on the Cwmtillery site there has been some SCAM activity but it seems a bit low profile at repsent.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an article in the Gwent Gazette by Peter Law last year stating that following negotiations the original plans had been scrapped but proposal for a small scale wind farm would be re-submitted. He was very disapointed at the outcome and would have prefered that the plans be scrapped altogether as not only would it blight the landscape it would affect house prices in any area surrounded by a wind farm project and did not think it fair for it to be imposed on the people of Blaenau Gwent after scrimping and saving all their lives and invested their income in their homes.

I was not aware of the recent meeting of SCAM most other times there has been notification in the Gwent Gazette. I did not see any notification of the last one. I may well have missed it though.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

So where do you suggest we get our future energy from?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of options Brian. Renewable sources obviously. I share some of the doubts raised by David Bellamy and others about whether land-based wind-turbines can make a valid contribution. However, even if they CAN, I think this area more than almost any other part of the UK can reasonably demand that they are placed elsewhere. We have, after all, lived with the wreckage that coal did to our landscapes, rivers and health for more than 100 years. Someone else's turn now methinks IF they are needed.

What about you? Do you think windfarms are the way ahead? On what evidence?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultimately, renewable energy is the only way ahead. The oil and gas will run out sooner rather than later. If it means that wind farms have to be used as a part of the whole renewable energy strategy then we'll have to go for it. I'd rather endure the look of the wind farms than be perpetually in the dark.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genghis Khan't wrote:
Ultimately, renewable energy is the only way ahead. The oil and gas will run out sooner rather than later.

I agree - see my comment above.

Genghis Khan't wrote:
If it means that wind farms have to be used as a part of the whole renewable energy strategy then we'll have to go for it.

I am questionning whether it does indeed mean that windfarms have to be used. Are you persuaded by the arguments for them?

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I'd rather endure the look of the wind farms than be perpetually in the dark.

Me too. Do you think those are the only options then? And if they are then I'd much rather some other part of the country, which hasn't spent the last 150 years having its environment destroyed by the previous means of power generation, take its turn.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like he is persuaded by the arguments for them but then since he does not live here he would naturally agree, "We'll have to go for it" it will not affect him. Let us hope that London be the first area to come off the national grid and depend solely on the energy it produces, think he will be in the dark a lot sooner than expected
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course they're not the only options available, but because alternative energy sources aren't as productive as oil / coal / gas we're going to need more of them to produce the same amounts of energy that we're currently using. You may find that more and more wind farms are placed near windy population centres as the oil prices rise. I think nuclear energy is great when it's properly maintained, but there aren't enough reactors out there to compensate for a complete lack of fossil fuels. What I'm (lengthily) trying to say is, yes, I think wind farms are a valid part of the energy gathering process. I agree that Wales has been blighted by industry, but wind farms are really a cosmetic problem, and are unlikely to cause black lung disease or landslide onto villages. As for the impact on local wildlife, it normally learns to adapt doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Let us hope that London be the first area to come off the national grid and depend solely on the energy it produces, think he will be in the dark a lot sooner than expected.


A complete lack of fossil fuels will affect everywhere. Doesn't matter where you live.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a fact, the argument here is why Blaenau Gwent? Not really an argument as BGCBC will sell their souls to the devil for a handfull of silver these four turbines (Will not do much on their own) but will go ahead and leave the door wide open for the rest to follow. No doubt the view up Brynithel, again a wonderful spot for a wind farm is it not, they already have the roads, no expense need to be spent there and will follow, nice flat moutain top, wind ect ideal. They will look really spectacular around the Old Church. House prices may drop who really cares. I doubt very much that Torfaen will take it lying down.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genghis Khan't wrote:
I agree that Wales has been blighted by industry, but wind farms are really a cosmetic problem, and are unlikely to cause black lung disease or landslide onto villages.

Leaving aside whether land-based windfarms are efficient and can make a valuable contribution, what you describe as only as a cosmetic problem is in fact quite an issue for an area whose natural environment is pretty much its most valuable asset.

We have no industry and very little service employment in Abertillery. And, leaving aside any other issues, since we have virtually no developable land to build large plants or business parks, we ain't going to get any either.

What we do have is a fairly dilapidated town but stunning mountain scenery. If we want to attract higher earners to live in the town in order to boost local spending and improve our local economy then blighting the landscape is not, in my opinion, helpful. And if we want to exploit this scenery for tourism, as we are at last starting to do, then 300ft turbines are not going to help this I don't think. You might travel the UK seeking out wind farms for your days out but if you do then you are in a minority.

There are people in this area who are desperately looking for a way out of the cycle of deprivation we are in. These proposal are not helping them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local planning authorities are obliged to consider the governments UK targets on the production of renewable energy but what are the benefits to the communities and will the benefits justify any damage caused to the landscape? Will they be sustainable over a long period of time 20 to 30 years or longer to compensate for any adverse affect or losses of potential income and employment through tourism?

Are there any guarantees that the proposed development of these four wind turbines will not escalate into a larger scale more visually intrusive wind farm proposal?

Will any potential benefit of blighting the landscape once again along with all the other negative effects be compromised in favour of the profits being made by the developers?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from the Cwmtillery website:

A meeting will be held to discuss the recent planning application for 4 (Four) 100m tall Wind Turbines on the Mynydd James Mountain.
Will this affect house prices……Are there visual, ecological and health concerns…..What damage, if any, will all the heavy traffic bring to Gwern Berthi Road.

Find out more by attending the Public Meeting to be held at St Peter’s Church Blaina on Wednesday 6th September at 7.30pm

If anyone needs a lift I shall be attending and should have car-space.


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