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Rocke

'Meet the Councillors' Public Meeting next week ?

On the bus last night and a gentleman involved with one of the Bowls clubs said there was a meeting next Mon to find out what was going on re. all the sports pitches in the area. All councillors had been invited and the intention was to air concerns and to listen to what they had to say with regard to clubs having to maintain pitches themselves now that Leisure's virtually been disbanded (my words not his).

Strangely down 'the Mersh' earlier someone informed me of a public meeting next week to which all councillors had been invited and was almost pleading with me to attend. They however mentioned a different day and place.

Does anyone know for definite what the situation is?

From what I'm hearing - all the Chinese whispers etc - I think it's important that it's publicised as far and wide as possible, especially as it could attract media attention and hence communicate the issues to a lot more people.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

"Invited"
Believe Ian Jones has organised one up The Dolls house this month, believe two councillors have accepted his invitation to attend.
Rocke

Well, let's hope that we find out which of them couldn't be a... er bothered... to attend.

The Council has admitted that the contract to build the replacement multi-storey car park hasn't been finalised. That's a shambles - knock it down without any solid plan to rebuild it.

One advantage is that Cllr Daniels isn't a Labour puppet. No doubt he'll be there to get the public side over.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

Councillor Daniels was on the streets in the rain yesterday Rocke.
martyn142

Ian's meeting is in the Doll's House on Wednesday 12th. Doors open at 7:30 starts at 8:00.

I THINK the Monday meeting is specifically related to sports and leisure, but it hasn't been very well publicised publically.
Rocke

Doesn't surprise me Martyn.

In fairness the Council/councillors are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

A well-attended meeting publicises to even more people how much lack of vision there is (and ability to communicate effectively).

Well, either that or would demonstrate just how much apathy there is among councillors by the lack of numbers.

There's 11 councillors in total for wards that have sports clubs who use pitches in 'the greater Abertillery area'.

Anyone invited the media anyone know?
pimlico

car park

Why do you need a multi story car park no one come to abertillery.
martyn142

Re: car park

pimlico wrote:
Why do you need a multi story car park no one come to abertillery.

That's the spirit!
Rocke

Re: car park

pimlico wrote:
Why do you need a multi story car park no one come to abertillery.


Oh no, you've fallen for it ! ( Smile ).

That's exactly what they're planning I think.
People are now so used to the place being a complete mess and VERY visitor-unfriendly (hostile even) that they're not going to care if the replacement comes about or not.

I hear on the grapevine that two very high-level councillors have covert plans for the War Memorial.
Oops - correct that - it's not that covert any more.

Another thread about to start I think.   Very Happy
Rocke

Here you go:

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/...lors_to_answer_questions_on_cuts/

Anyone an update on it?
Rocke

I'm given to understand that at last night's meeting only 2 councillors turned up, and in the words of the person who told me "no Labour Councillors".

Is this true?

Apparently meetings are arranged for the coming weeks between the Council and individual clubs.

(Admin - this is NOT political, in case anyone tries to get it hidden away. It is a genuine public interest matter. We all have children and grandchildren who want to be the next David Bryant, Sam Warburton, Craig Bellamy, Robert Croft etc.).
eddie jones

Rocke wrote:
I'm given to understand that at last night's meeting only 2 councillors turned up, and in the words of the person who told me "no Labour Councillors".

Is this true?

Apparently meetings are arranged for the coming weeks between the Council and individual clubs.

(Admin - this is NOT political, in case anyone tries to get it hidden away. It is a genuine public interest matter. We all have children and grandchildren who want to be the next David Bryant, Sam Warburton, Craig Bellamy, Robert Croft etc.).


You cant expect councillors to turn up for every silly meeting. They are very busy you know.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

Everything except "Ebbw Vale " is SILLY to this damn authority.
martyn142

eddie jones wrote:
Rocke wrote:
I'm given to understand that at last night's meeting only 2 councillors turned up, and in the words of the person who told me "no Labour Councillors".

Is this true?

Apparently meetings are arranged for the coming weeks between the Council and individual clubs.

(Admin - this is NOT political, in case anyone tries to get it hidden away. It is a genuine public interest matter. We all have children and grandchildren who want to be the next David Bryant, Sam Warburton, Craig Bellamy, Robert Croft etc.).


You cant expect councillors to turn up for every silly meeting. They are very busy you know.

An excellent comment to pass onto the press who are attending. Many thanks  Very Happy
T Bone

Would they have been able to claim expenses or some type of attendance fee (I don’t know the correct term) if they had attended?
Rocke

T Bone wrote:
Would they have been able to claim expenses or some type of attendance fee (I don’t know the correct term) if they had attended?


There's no Attendance Allowances any more - they get Members' Allowance ('salary') regardless of how many (or few) meetings attended.  

Travelling expenses (45p/mile for a car, fares otherwise) could be claimed if it was an Approved Duty ie. the council had arranged the meeting.

Tonight's meeting definitely isn't in that category. Councillors have been invited as Ward representatives ie at the behest of the public and not as Members ie. by the Council.
Rocke

eddie jones wrote:
Rocke wrote:
I'm given to understand that at last night's meeting only 2 councillors turned up, and in the words of the person who told me "no Labour Councillors".

Is this true?

Apparently meetings are arranged for the coming weeks between the Council and individual clubs.

(Admin - this is NOT political, in case anyone tries to get it hidden away. It is a genuine public interest matter. We all have children and grandchildren who want to be the next David Bryant, Sam Warburton, Craig Bellamy, Robert Croft etc.).


You cant expect councillors to turn up for every silly meeting. They are very busy you know.


Members' Allowances (salary) are based on the premise that on average a councillor spends around 25 hours per week on work directly related to being a councillor/representative of the people.
That not only includes attendancs at meetings of the council and committees etc (and travelling to and from them) but dealing with enquiries, issues etc. raised by the public.

I suspect that in any reasonable, balanced person's mind Monday's meeting would fall into that latter category. Hence they have in essence been paid for not addressing the matter ie. in my view any invited councillor who failed to attend should be asked why.

In fact there's a better idea - let's post the names of the councillors who were invited but didn't attend, together with their reasons.

If anyone has the list please PM me and I'll write to them, courtesy of BGCBC.
martyn142

I have a list of those who were invited and turned up and those that didn't Rockey. I know who was invited because I emailed them myself. I shall be posting it on here as soon as I get  a minute as well as disseminating it more widely.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

5 turned up last night Rocke, apparently it's only a silly meeting if you lease leisure facilities.
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
I have a list of those who were invited and turned up and those that didn't Rockey. I know who was invited because I emailed them myself. I shall be posting it on here as soon as I get  a minute as well as disseminating it more widely.


Thanks Martyn.

I'm compiling a list of apologies for meetings (takes a bit of time as you can imagine).

It's one thing to do as little work as possible for the money but a completely different matter not to do the work you're actually supposed to do.
Rocke

Re: Meet the Councillors

stoob wrote:
5 turned up last night Rocke, apparently it's only a silly meeting if you lease leisure facilities.


To be fair, the forecast/weather has been atrocious the past few weeks.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

Rocke allegedly one councillor up the Dolls House claimed that Abertillery is officially a cultural heritage town.
martyn142

OK here you go. Those who turned up:
    Garth P. Collier Independent garth.collier@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Nigel John Daniels Independent Nigel.Daniels@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    John Jones Hopkins Independent John.Hopkins@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    John Edward Mason Independent John.Mason@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Graham Bartlett Labour Graham.Bartlett@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
And those who didn't - I've included their email addresses in case anyone feels the need to ask them why:
    Mike Bartlett Labour mike.bartlett@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Kevin Brown Independent Kevin.Brown@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Malcolm Benjamin Dally Labour Malcolm.Dally@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Keith Chaplin Labour Keith.Chaplin@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Denzil Hancock Independent Denzil.Hancock@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Richard (Dickie) Jones Labour Richard.Jones@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Hedley McCarthy Labour Hedley.McCarthy@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Bob Pagett Labour Bob.Pagett@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Lisa Catherine Winnett Labour Lisa.Winnett@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Barrie Sutton Labour Barrie.Sutton@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Tim Sharrem Labour Tim.Sharrem@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Christine Anne Tidey Labour Christine.Tidey@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Jim McIlwee Labour Jim.McIlwee@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Peter Baldwin Labour Peter.Baldwin@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
    Mark Holland Labour Mark.Holland@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk
martyn142

Next up is the meeting set up by the council itself in response to the pressure to meet us. It is to be held at Llanhilleht Institute on Wednesday 19th February, at 6pm.

This isn't a consultation meeting. It is an "information" meeting i.e. the decisions have already been made and the meeting is being held to tell us what they are. I don't think they've quite twigged that the locals might want an input into the decision-making process.  Embarassed
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
Next up is the meeting set up by the council itself in response to the pressure to meet us. It is to be held at Llanhilleht Institute on Wednesday 19th February, at 6pm.

This isn't a consultation meeting. It is an "information" meeting i.e. the decisions have already been made and the meeting is being held to tell us what they are. I don't think they've quite twigged that the locals might want an input into the decision-making process.  Embarassed


Thanks Martyn.

Firstly though, I thought Kevin Brown was an Independent ???

Next, Llanhilleth Institute - no surprise there.
It's in Cllr McCarthy's ward and an awful lot of things take place there.
(Is he still a Trustee of the place??????????)

And of course we all have to get down there.

By the way, what has Llanhilleth got to do with things happening in Aber?
Anyway, a date in MY diary.

This WILL be fun  Very Happy

Anyone who intends to go please PM me. If I get sufficient response I'll pay for a (Henley's, being local) bus down and back.

Probably cost less than the Civic Car that Cllr McCarthy will no doubt turn up in.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

Be careful Rocke, rumour is the local labour party are wielding out the big guns down the stute.

martyn142

Rocke wrote:
martyn142 wrote:
Next up is the meeting set up by the council itself in response to the pressure to meet us. It is to be held at Llanhilleht Institute on Wednesday 19th February, at 6pm.

This isn't a consultation meeting. It is an "information" meeting i.e. the decisions have already been made and the meeting is being held to tell us what they are. I don't think they've quite twigged that the locals might want an input into the decision-making process.  Embarassed


Thanks Martyn.

Firstly though, I thought Kevin Brown was an Independent ???

Next, Llanhilleth Institute - no surprise there.
It's in Cllr McCarthy's ward and an awful lot of things take place there.
(Is he still a Trustee of the place??????????)

And of course we all have to get down there.

By the way, what has Llanhilleth got to do with things happening in Aber?
Anyway, a date in MY diary.

This WILL be fun  Very Happy

Anyone who intends to go please PM me. If I get sufficient response I'll pay for a (Henley's, being local) bus down and back.

Probably cost less than the Civic Car that Cllr McCarthy will no doubt turn up in.


Yes he is Rockey - I've corrected it now.

I'll definitely be going as will quite a lot of others who attended the meeting on Wednesday. No doubt Labour will also put out a three line whip too Smile One thing I can guarantee is that our resident keyboard warriors, alias smith and jones, won't raise their gutless heads  Laughing
Rocke

Re: Meet the Councillors

stoob wrote:
Be careful Rocke, rumour is the local labour party are wielding out the big guns down the stute.



That's guaranteed a good turn out then.

The days leading up to it will be be like the PR leading to Fight Night.
Just watch us protagonists hamming it up   Laughing

Btw - there wasn't a Party party going on last Weds was there, given that only ONE out of FOURTEEN labourites turned up ?
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
Rocke wrote:
martyn142 wrote:
Next up is the meeting set up by the council itself in response to the pressure to meet us. It is to be held at Llanhilleht Institute on Wednesday 19th February, at 6pm.

This isn't a consultation meeting. It is an "information" meeting i.e. the decisions have already been made and the meeting is being held to tell us what they are. I don't think they've quite twigged that the locals might want an input into the decision-making process.  Embarassed


Thanks Martyn.

Firstly though, I thought Kevin Brown was an Independent ???

Next, Llanhilleth Institute - no surprise there.
It's in Cllr McCarthy's ward and an awful lot of things take place there.
(Is he still a Trustee of the place??????????)

And of course we all have to get down there.

By the way, what has Llanhilleth got to do with things happening in Aber?
Anyway, a date in MY diary.

This WILL be fun  Very Happy

Anyone who intends to go please PM me. If I get sufficient response I'll pay for a (Henley's, being local) bus down and back.

Probably cost less than the Civic Car that Cllr McCarthy will no doubt turn up in.


Yes he is Rockey - I've corrected it now.

I'll definitely be going as will quite a lot of others who attended the meeting on Wednesday. No doubt Labour will also put out a three line whip too Smile One thing I can guarantee is that our resident keyboard warriors, alias smith and jones, won't raise their gutless heads  Laughing


I'll guarantee something else Martyn.
The sheep will be gathered up and herded into the fold so that the media get the impression that Joe Public understands the hard decisions that their representatives have had to make.

If things go against them I wonder if they'll start playing up like they did at Ebenezer some years back?
eddie jones

Any room on the bus Rocke?
Ian

The Eddies or is it Eddleys seem to have a thing about the bus.

Eddie Legge: 'Why has David Rocke offered to hire a bus to take those wanting to attend a public meeting in Llanhilleth? '

Eddie Jones:'Any room on the bus Rocke?'

Obviously forgot which Eddie he was supposed to be Rolling Eyes

perhaps they can't afford their own bus......oh hang on though they'll probably be on expenses..so they can pay for everyones transport Laughing
eddie jones

Maybe we have a thing about buses but Rocke has a thing about gravy trains Embarassed
Rocke

eddie jones wrote:
Maybe we have a thing about buses but Rocke has a thing about gravy trains Embarassed


Labour of course know all about buses.
After all, they've taken the public for a ride for a long time.

And as for gravy trains, that's Labour's - and Cllr McCarthy's - priority over trains from Abertillery, as we can all see.

(Tsk tsk ! Must do so much better than that Sue, or Aberystwyth Al will be spanking bottoms   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing )
martyn142

eddie jones wrote:
Maybe we have a thing about buses but Rocke has a thing about gravy trains Embarassed

Your hero Hedley is on over £40,000 a year. That's far more than he was ever able to earn when he worked. He is the Casey Jones of gravy trains.
stoob

Meet the Councillors

Believe Casey Jones had a dog called Cinders, but it wasn't a lap dog.
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
eddie jones wrote:
Maybe we have a thing about buses but Rocke has a thing about gravy trains Embarassed

Your hero Hedley is on over £40,000 a year. That's far more than he was ever able to earn when he worked. He is the Casey Jones of gravy trains.


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Rocke

Re: Meet the Councillors

stoob wrote:
Believe Casey Jones had a dog called Cinders, but it wasn't a lap dog.


Just as good !

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Rocke

Re: Meet the Councillors

stoob wrote:
Believe Casey Jones had a dog called Cinders, but it wasn't a lap dog.


Does that make 'Eddie Legge' a laptop dog then ?
Rocke

Right !

Does anyone definitely know a) what this meeting in Llan Stute is  about; and b) is it open to the public?

I've heard conflicting details - it's another 'meet sports pitch users' meeting, and that it's to do with the Old Church.

(No wonder I was a bit curious as to why I was goaded with 'if you turn up').
martyn142

Its a public meeting and it's not just about leisure it's about the council's budget and its priorities generally. It's not a consultation though, it's an "information " meeting. This is what Alun Davies posted on Facebook.

"Blaenau Gwent Council is holding a series of public meetings regarding its latest budget proposals.

The first meeting will be held on Tuesday, February 18 from 6-8pm at Ebbw Fawr Learning Community, Primary Phase, Ebbw Vale.

The second will be held the following day, Wednesday, February 19, again from 6-8pm at Llanhilleth Institute.

All members of the public are welcome to attend."
Rocke

Thanks Martyn.

'Information' will be enough of an excuse to stiffle debate then.

I wonder if Aberystwyth Al is being paid to be a PR consultant to BG ?
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

The know all David Rocke had to rely on Martyn the mouth to tell him  what council meeting in Llan Stute is about
This isn't the first time that Martyn has had to throw a life line to a save a drowning Rocke
martyn142

I look forward to seeing all the Eddies there. Obviously some of them will be incognito  Laughing

Actually I fully expect Hedley to have three line whip to get as many party flunkies as possible along. It will be inetersting to see how many non-members of the People's Party speak up in support of the Hedley's regime?
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
The know all David Rocke had to rely on Martyn the mouth to tell him  what council meeting in Llan Stute is about
This isn't the first time that Martyn has had to throw a life line to a save a drowning Rocke


"Infamy, infamy. They've all got it in fa' me".

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Rockes don't drown mate.
They lie there, waiting for a shi* like you and your ilk to come along and collide with them.
kdwent

So BGBC have finally been shamed into meeting with the electorate.  I wonder if the pressure put on them by the Facebook group The Speakeasy had anything to do with it.  I am inclined to attend and ask Hedley if his councils legal dept are still watching the group and also to ask if any of the things he disputed such as redundancy have now been proven to be true or not.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Kdwent Speakeasy main objective when formed was to discredit the labour led Blaenau Gwent council and because I did not agree with all you said,You falsely accused me of having a vendetta against you and when I tried to clear my name over the Ian Jones accusations I ended up being banned
As a member of many local Forums I have the right to know why I am not allowed access to Speakeasy I have the right to know why my name is still mentioned by other Speakeasy members,If you continue to ignore my request I shall have no other option but to take the matter further
Ian Jones

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Kdwent Speakeasy main objective when formed was to discredit the labour led Blaenau Gwent council and because I did not agree with all you said,You falsely accused me of having a vendetta against you and when I tried to clear my name over the Ian Jones accusations I ended up being banned
As a member of many local Forums I have the right to know why I am not allowed access to Speakeasy I have the right to know why my name is still mentioned by other Speakeasy members,If you continue to ignore my request I shall have no other option but to take the matter further



Does that mean i can go to labour councilor meetings then.
You know the ones they hold privately so Independent Councillors don't find out whats happening in Blaenau Gwent.

If you continue to ignore my request i shall have no option but to take the matter further and join the UKIP party.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Ian when you reported to Admin about Eddie Legge wanting to know if you were the same person on both local Forums and if I was guilty of any wrong doing Having an unhealthy interest in your private life, and saying it could be for wicked purposes and worse still accusing me of upsetting your wife  Why didn't Admin order me to stop
Ian Jones

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian when you reported to Admin about Eddie Legge wanting to know if you were the same person on both local Forums and if I was guilty of any wrong doing Having an unhealthy interest in your private life, and saying it could be for wicked purposes and worse still accusing me of upsetting your wife  Why didn't Admin order me to stop


You should be asking Admin that question Mr Legge not me.
And i still stand by what i said.
kdwent

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie Legge.   I am not going to give you any reason as to why I banned you from Speakeasy.  It was me who banned you mind not anyone else.  

I look forward to you taking the matter further.  

Please feel free to continue making your worthless idiotic threats I meanwhile shall sit here trembling in fear.

The leader of your beloved local Labour party tried to threaten me too, his threats didn't work either.

Be very careful what seeds you sow Eddie Legge, you may not like what you reap
















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martyn142

Eddie, you're a cretin. Just saying.
kdwent

martyn142 wrote:
Eddie, you're a cretin. Just saying.


Ah but can you prove that Martyn.  

He may in fact be a m****n, and will now be planning to take "further action" against you.  Smile.  

Of course he may just be full of p*** and vinegar when it comes to threats.   We shall have to wait and see.
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Kdwent Speakeasy main objective when formed was to discredit the labour led Blaenau Gwent council and because I did not agree with all you said,You falsely accused me of having a vendetta against you and when I tried to clear my name over the Ian Jones accusations I ended up being banned
As a member of many local Forums I have the right to know why I am not allowed access to Speakeasy I have the right to know why my name is still mentioned by other Speakeasy members,If you continue to ignore my request I shall have no other option but to take the matter further


Presumably because you're the one Legge that Labour has to stand on.

Yep - I'm sure a Mod/Admin will take your bleatings on board.

You're (way) out of your depth.

This is the modern world, where people are respected for what they are and what they do, not because they are 77 - or is it 78 - in fact, how old are you today?

Must be the only 'person' I know who has a birthday every day.

Not related to Dorian Grey are you ????????????????????
martyn142

Excellent turnout at last night's meeting. It was telling that other than Councillor Mark Holland, who spoke up for Mark Holland, not a single person who was not sat on the panel was willing to defend what the council has been doing.

Not sure where the Eddies were? Too frit to show their faces in public.

Embarassed

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Rocke

'Irish' Jim did also defend er.... Irish Jim.

Oh - and Deputy Leader Steve Thomas dug our Cllr McCarthy (the Leader let us not forget) out of a few holes.

I loved the way he (HM) responded to your perfectly fair and balanced question regarding the perception that EV was having everything by saying that it was because the steelworks had shut and a lot of men himself included had made a lot of money out of it.

Notice how Cllr Thomas had to jump in with the (fair and correct) explanation that the Welsh Government decided to do something about it, and gave/arranged the money, so it couldn't be used elsewhere.

The two things that struck me about last night?

1) How on the ball most of the people who asked questions were (and from the comments around me so were a lot who didn't).
The public is clearly well informed - much more so that some years back when 'the council' and councillors were some sort of 'special/secret society'.
I have to say (without being patronising) that it was refreshing to hear people asking questions and making comments that I would have, having the benefit of experience.      

2) How awful - abject even - Cllr McCarthy's performance was.
He seemed to regard every question directed at him (and there weren't many, given that the poor old officers were directed to answer most) as if he were being berated in a pub. Martyn's question was the sort that everyone IS asking, he was given a good opportunity to persuade people that it isn't true that EV gets it all, yet all he wanted to do was ask "where else would it go?".
He wasn't able to string a sentence together without an 'er...ah..um...' or two.
Sorry, but I can't imagine him being treated with any credence down at the bay in discussion with ministers.
(Btw it's interesting that despite being Leader he's not the Chair of the Local Service Board, the group responsible for the major services in the area ie. Police, NHS, Fire Service etc.
All their Heads are LSB members).
martyn142

Yes I'd forgotten Jim McIlwie's (sp?) contribution.

Steve Thoma spoke more eloquently than Hedley but said very little. In essence, he was saying "Cheer up, at least you're not as badly off as Tredegar", which was hardly the point and a damning statement from a representative of that town.

So far as Hedley's reply to me was concerned he addressed one aspect i.e. the amount of investment in EV. He ignored the other aspect i.e. the removal of faciltiies from our valley. When he asked me if I would have refused the Works' funding, I asked off-mike if it was a requirment of that funding  that the civic amenity sites in Ebbw Fach should be closed, that Nantyglo leisure centre should close, that the Market Hall should be put out to trust and Abertillery's train stationm should cease to be the priority in favour of another station in EV.

Very poor Hedley. Must do better.
Rocke

Must do better ?

Can only do better surely Martyn  Very Happy
eddie jones

martyn142 wrote:
Excellent turnout at last night's meeting. It was telling that other than Councillor Mark Holland, who spoke up for Mark Holland, not a single person who was not sat on the panel was willing to defend what the council has been doing.

Not sure where the Eddies were? Too frit to show their faces in public.

Embarassed

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Nice thatcher phrase    frit
eddie jones

" it was refreshing to hear people asking questions and making comments that I would have, having the benefit of experience"

NERD
kdwent

Nice to see you making relevant contribution to the discussion Eddie Jones.  Did you attend the same  lessons on handling difficult questions as the rest of the BGBC councillors.
martyn142

eddie jones wrote:
martyn142 wrote:
Excellent turnout at last night's meeting. It was telling that other than Councillor Mark Holland, who spoke up for Mark Holland, not a single person who was not sat on the panel was willing to defend what the council has been doing.

Not sure where the Eddies were? Too frit to show their faces in public.

Embarassed

http://mediafactory.org.au/li-wen-ho/files/2014/01/kbw-2e1uuqj.jpg


Nice thatcher phrase    frit



Very apt in your case  Embarassed  Embarassed  Embarassed

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