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T Bone

Community Council

Itís nice to see the pictures of the Chairperson of Abertillery and Llanhilleth Community Council meeting Prince Edward last week on the Town Council webpage. It was also interesting that he informed us how little the Town Council costs a band A household each week (26 pence) and that 72 % of the houses in Abertillery and Llanhilleth are in fact band A properties.

What he fails to mention is how much it costs the other 28 % of the population of Abertillery and Llanhilleth. Or indeed how much this equates too. He mentions that reported figures Ďare way off the markí so why not say exactly what it costs to have a Community Council.

What also would be interesting to know, straight from the horsesí mouth, is the names of the Councillors that were co-opted onto the Community Council (I bet one of the Co-opted Councillors is his neighbour) and why was there a need to co-opt any Councillors?
If someone stood for election in one ward, but didnít get elected why wasnít they offered the opportunity to represent a different ward, which didnít have its full quota of Community Councillors? They canít argue that you must live in the ward, almost half the Councillors, live in one ward yet represent another.

Another interesting point is, I believe, Ebbw Vale doesnít have a Community Council yet has the lions share of inward investment. If this were the case then surely the money, which is spent on the Community Council, would be better off being used to keep the public toilets in town or the local amenities site open.

Just my thoughts, but after all I am paying for something through my Council Tax that I donít want and donít need.
Rocke

The good news is that I'm off out in a mo, so this won't be a comprehensive version  Very Happy

Co-option:

In general people aren't interested in being councillors, and have almost no interest when there's no money in it, as there is(n't) in being a Town or Parish Councillor.
However, some, similar to Club Committee men, like to have a bit of authority or power over their fellows, and a few perks while they're at it.

So - there's almost always not enough candidates for certain wards, especially since there's even more councillors per ward for the town council than there is for the Borough (Cwmtillery has 5 town councillors but only 3 Borough ones).

Llanhilleth was one such ward in the last elections, even despite a Cwmtillery resident (and bizarrely a then-Cwmtillery town councillor) deciding to 'contest' a seat down there.
(The reason of course is that he knew there wouldn't be a fight, so effectively walked onto the council).

Even despite this there still wasn't a full quota, so Bartlettshire had the option of having a by-election(s) in the relevant wards or co-option.
It elected for co-option, on the basis of cost (which isn't borne by the town council but by the Borough as it happens).
It advertised for anyone who was interested - and bizarrely appointed someone who hadn't applied in the prescribed manner.

Cllr Tidey (that's Borough Councillor Tidey, who did not fight for a Cwmtillery Ward seat on the Town Council at the elections and who didn't jump into a non-fight as town councillor Meek did) was appointed at a meeting which considered the applications of a candidate for the Cwmtillery Ward Borough elections who failed to get elected (not me, or Delwyn) and the then-fiancee of er.... town councillor Meek.
I'm given to understand that at the meeting in question it was mentioned that 'Chris has telephoned and offered her services'. (This info has been relayed to me by a member of the public who was present).

It's one of the pile of 'oddities' and peculiar (in fact highly qiuestionable) practices that I'm gathering related to the governance and management of our town council.

Anyway, enough of that for now.

Town councils have a significant amount of power - should they decide to keep or use it.
There's over 20 things that tc's can have direct control of - cemeteries is one, and lo and behold public toilets is another.
Street Lighting is also among them (as is bus shelters).

My manifesto for the town council elections detailed these and proposed that the unspent cash that the town council seems to be accumulating (at our expense) should be used to keep our lights on, provide bus shelters etc. (toilets were open in those days).

Finally (for now) the EV comparison.
EV has a Development Trust.
Trusts by their very nature exist for one purpose - to maximise the benefit to the people that they exist for.
In other words as much as possible of the money that was bestowed upon EV following the demise of EVUDC, and subsequently, is targetted at improving EV for its citizens.
The members of the trust and the board are dedicated towards that end, unlike councillors who are of course political animals.

The major difference between EVDT and A&LCC is that the former's controlling body ie the board controls the employees etc. whereas in Bartlettshire the employee controls council and the councillors.
Saeson

Re: Community Council

T Bone wrote:

Just my thoughts, but after all I am paying for something through my Council Tax that I donít want and donít need.


Well I don`t think you would have paid much for the `flowers` that greeted HRH. I think Hedley must have been to Poundstretcher; bet it would have been an Interflora job for EV  Rolling Eyes
Rocke

Re: Community Council

Saeson wrote:
T Bone wrote:

Just my thoughts, but after all I am paying for something through my Council Tax that I donít want and donít need.


Well I don`t think you would have paid much for the `flowers` that greeted HRH. I think Hedley must have been to Poundstretcher; bet it would have been an Interflora job for EV †Rolling Eyes


That'll be similar to the carrier bag presented to our - sorry, the town council's - twinning friends then.
martyn142

The cost of community councils per CC area in 2012-13 (the most recent I could find) was

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...Documents_Resources/SOC201213.pdf

Blaenau Gwent accounts 20123-13 p 84

                                                               £000s
Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council  90
Brynmawr Town Council                             43
Nantyglo & Blaina Town Council                  68
Tredegar Town Council                              138
martyn142

The figures per band for 2013-14 i.e. the current financial year.

     Aber & Llan  Brynmawr  Nant & Blaina  Tredegar   EV
A    13.42         18.05         17.86              20.94      0
B    15.66         21.06         20.84              24.43      0
C    17.89         24.07         23.81              27.92      0
D    20.13         27.08         26.79             31.41       0
E    24.60         33.10         32.74             38.39       0
F    29.08         39.12         38.70             45.37       0
Rocke

They look decent enough compared to others.

However, it's the benefit to citizens, and hence what the money is spent on, that counts.

I'll try to dig out the post I did a year or so back.

Basically I think our Town Council spent something like less than half from the 'Environmental Fund' or whatever ie. the main pot for spending in the community.

And let's not forget, the first £30,000+ goes in wages and salaries.
Er.... for part time employees.
martyn142

Quote:
They look decent enough compared to others.

However, it's the benefit to citizens, and hence what the money is spent on, that counts.


In your opinion.

In my opinion it is a waste of my money however much it costs. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what my money should be spent on. I don't need yet another layer of government to do it for me.
T Bone

Thanks for the insight into the Community Council Rocke, once again you have proven yourself to be very informative and knowledgeable. But I must agree with Martyn on this one. I still think the money can be spent better elsewhere. If there is no need for a Community Council then do away with it.

What is also disappointing, in my opinion, is the lack information coming from the Community Council. I know the Chairperson, Jimbo Roles put a statement on to the Community Council website praising their work, (but only after the last posting of ĎDeep in the bowels of the Civic Centreí trilogy) but it wasnít what was said in the statement that was interesting, it was the information he didnít tell us which was the real point of contention.

Also why isnít any member of the Community Council on this forum providing local information, community news or issues? Why isnít a Community Councillor on here defending the Community Council or giving us the information that was asked? I've been reliably informed that certain Councillors enjoy writing the odd letter of unsubstantiated complaints about certain local groups, groups which they were once heavily involved with, so why not defend yourselves out in the open?
stoob

Community Council

The minutes of their meetings are available to read on the web site.
For instance in the December 2013 minutes it states the Clerk asked Greg England to keep some apartments back for the benefit of visitors to the Circuit of Wales at the refurbished Bon Marche House.
In the December 2014 minutes, Paul Shackson of the Circuit of Wales stated that the track hoped to stage Super Bikes and Touring Car events 9/10 weekends annually.
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
Quote:
They look decent enough compared to others.

However, it's the benefit to citizens, and hence what the money is spent on, that counts.


In your opinion.

In my opinion it is a waste of my money however much it costs. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what my money should be spent on. I don't need yet another layer of government to do it for me.


Er... that was my point.
The figures say that it costs less than the poor old inhabitants of surrounding fiefdoms, but I bet far less of it gets spent on things we need.

Does anyone actually know where the money goes (apart from Wages etc. ).

I can tell you that an awful lot of local organisations received cheques and certificates of recommendation in the few months leading up to the 2012 elections.

Anyway, here's a more comprehensive view.
The manifesto of Steve Prosser and me:

"Itís not often that you get a campaign leaflet through your door apologising for something is it? We apologise for giving you yet another leaflet to read, and we apologise for causing an election for ĎTowní Councillors this time.
Hang on, why should we apologise ?!
If the ĎTown Councilí was actually doing something for our communities we wouldnít have been asked to stand. You wouldnít be asked if you wanted a change and we could all have bus shelters, public benches and the like. We would have more control over how to deal with dog fouling, fly-posting, litter and a whole host of other anti-social behaviour. We could market The Lakes and Cwmtilleryís surrounding natural beauty, bringing jobs here.
Now, youíre probably thinking Ďthatís what I pay my Council Tax to Blaenau Gwent forí. Well, believe it or not Town Councils have the power to do all these things, and lets be honest it would be easier if it was within our control rather than Ďthe Councilí.
Yes, it takes money, but tell us Ė what are we getting for the £100,000 the town council receives every year, most of which we pay ?
Well, we have a top-rate Clerk and administrative support (they must be, the payroll costs are over £38,000 and they are part-time employees).
We have 19 ( yes, 19 ) councillors while the same area has only 11 Borough councillors. (They arenít paid but catering for 19 costs more).    
We are twinned with a French town and in the spirit of friendship a visit was made last year. No doubt they were good ambassadors. Iím sure we all look forward to the economic benefits it brings to our area as a result.  
We have Aberfest, Winterfest, Christmas Lights.  All now mostly funded and arranged by Communities First of course. The  Town Council saved £6,500 on the Christmas Lights last year. Borough  Councillors made a sizeable contribution.
We have allotments (not enough to go around of course) to benefit a few.  

What arenít we getting ? - Value for money !
Over half of the money the town council extracts from you and others is spent on administration and ĎCivic Affairsí, £55,000 according to the last accounts. Over £11 of the £20 you pay goes in wages, overheads and Ďjolliesí
It only spends 24% of its money on ĎEnvironment and Leisureí to benefit us citizens - less than a quarter of its income !  
Hereís what we intend to do about it:
If you vote us in we will join with other like-minded councillors from the other wards and if we get into power we will see if the council can be disbanded, and if so we will set about getting your views on a referendum to decide if you want to get rid of it altogether.
In the meantime we will:
Set about ensuring that at least 70% of all money raised actually goes into things that benefit our neighbourhoods, such a bus shelters, additional salt bins, grants and support etc*. and weíll reduce admin. costs in order to do it.
Set up a process that means you will have a say in how much money the town council levies from you. Your councillors will arrange a meeting every year where you can make suggestions, including what you want done and/or a limit on how much you want to pay.    
Things have gone on long enough. ĎTowní councillors and their Council have become a cosy little (Labour) Club. The Plaid Councillor has decided to stand in Llanhilleth for a safe, non-contested seat, leaving Cwmtillery to 5 Labour candidates. It isnít good enough !!
"

* You can now add public conveniences and street lighting to this if you wish, and a few other things.
martyn142

Rocke wrote:
martyn142 wrote:
Quote:
They look decent enough compared to others.

However, it's the benefit to citizens, and hence what the money is spent on, that counts.


In your opinion.

In my opinion it is a waste of my money however much it costs. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself what my money should be spent on. I don't need yet another layer of government to do it for me.


Er... that was my point.
The figures say that it costs less than the poor old inhabitants of surrounding fiefdoms, but I bet far less of it gets spent on things we need.

My point though is that I don't need a Community Council to decide what I need, even if their priorities coincide with mine. Get rid of it. It serves no useful purpose.
Rocke

I see where you're coming from Martyn, but just suppose the Town Council did the job (to a far smaller degree I accept) that Communities First has done?

One of the original intentions behind CF was to directly inject resources into local communities, and to give those communities the opportunity to say what they wanted.

It's why local authorities - and BG was most certainly one of them - didn't like the idea of CF. It gave a little bit of control back to people.

The TC could be like that under proper and effective control.
It could take over toilets, and re-open them.
It could provide bus shelters at every stop.
It could take on a lot of powers.

Although it would be small scale steady progress over 5 or 10 years would make a huge difference to the state of things in Abertillery.
Ask a town councillor what powers they have - they won't have a clue. They think it's the allotments and nothing else.

On the basis that this can't be achieved then I do agree, get rid of it.

Perhaps someone will get the WAO to sort it out Martyn.  Wink
Saeson

Re: Community Council

Rocke wrote:
Saeson wrote:
T Bone wrote:

Just my thoughts, but after all I am paying for something through my Council Tax that I donít want and donít need.


Well I don`t think you would have paid much for the `flowers` that greeted HRH. I think Hedley must have been to Poundstretcher; bet it would have been an Interflora job for EV †Rolling Eyes


That'll be similar to the carrier bag presented to our - sorry, the town council's - twinning friends then.


Ha, ha, yes, I was there. One of life`s toe curling moments and an insight into the bumpkin mentality that pervades so much of local politics.
T Bone

What a surprise, no reply from Jimbo Roles or any of his fellow Community Councillors to explain to this forum their actual worth to the community they represent.

I would still like to know, straight from Jimbo the actual cost to the Council Tax payer to run his merry little circus and who are the co-opted Councillors.

So come on boys and girls of the Community Council, its all well and good Ďwearing the badgeí but you should be able to explain yourselves and your existence to the very people who you are suppose to be representing
stoob

Community Council

There was a full Community Council meeting scheduled for last night.
Going by the number of guests that were on here yesterday afternoon disquiet was probably mentioned but, wouldn't think they'll alter course.
T Bone

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
There was a full Community Council meeting scheduled for last night.
Going by the number of guests that were on here yesterday afternoon disquiet was probably mentioned but, wouldn't think they'll alter course.


You may well be right Stoob.

How about this for a quote off none other than the Chairperson Jimbo Roles himself 'Transparency in the things we do is good ........providing we are not invisible!'

So come on Jimbo and co show yourselves
martyn142

I've heard some rumours about who might have been favoured for the clerk's job. I've also heard rumours that they are now not so hotly favoured because of the focus which has been put upon the council lately.

They're only rumours of course...
Rocke

T Bone wrote:
What a surprise, no reply from Jimbo Roles or any of his fellow Community Councillors to explain to this forum their actual worth to the community they represent.

I would still like to know, straight from Jimbo the actual cost to the Council Tax payer to run his merry little circus and who are the co-opted Councillors.

So come on boys and girls of the Community Council, its all well and good Ďwearing the badgeí but you should be able to explain yourselves and your existence to the very people who you are suppose to be representing


Christine Tidey for one.
The manner of her appointment will in time be referred to the WAO, since I have good reason to believe it was inappropriately handled, and the WAO will be asked to rule whether it was in fact unlawful.

Fr. Patrick for another, who I believe was not co-opted to a vacant seat. I stand to be corrected on that score, so perhaps an official response from the leader of the town council would be welcome.
Rocke

martyn142 wrote:
I've heard some rumours about who might have been favoured for the clerk's job. I've also heard rumours that they are now not so hotly favoured because of the focus which has been put upon the council lately.

They're only rumours of course...


Whoever gets it gets a poisoned chalice I tell you.
They'll spend most of the first 6 months in the job with someone from the WAO, trying to explain a few things.

No good pleading 'it wasn't me guv'.
stoob

Community Council

It's rumoured that Abertillery is next on Putin's reclamation list after The Crimea.

T Bone

martyn142 wrote:
I've heard some rumours about who might have been favoured for the clerk's job. I've also heard rumours that they are now not so hotly favoured because of the focus which has been put upon the council lately.

They're only rumours of course...



Still no word from Jimbo and co

I should imagine they are still favourite for the job Martyn.
It just means that the powers that be will have to Ďplay the gameí, interview several candidates and obviously they'll  decide that the best person for the job was the one they wanted all along.

They are so sanctimonious Iím sure they believe they can do what they please.

I was also informed that another Co-opted Community Councillor is none other than Jimboís good mate and neighbour Alan Thomas. Nothing more than a coincidence Iím sure.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
It's rumoured that Abertillery is next on Putin's reclamation list after The Crimea.



Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
stoob

Community Council

The Community Council and The Borough Council are holding events in town on the first Saturday in July.
Damn good day for a short but noisy demonstration, anybody concur.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
The Community Council and The Borough Council are holding events in town on the first Saturday in July.
Damn good day for a short but noisy demonstration, anybody concur.


That's about the right timescale for the snowball to become an avalanche I should say.

The only problem is that you won't find either type of councillor about on that day (or at least only ones who say they aren't happy with things).

BGCBC doesn't even have an Opposition Group any more apparently.
(Mind you, it did come from The Leader).
stoob

Community Council

They'll be there Rocke, delegation over from Royat that weekend, not sure about the other lot attending the Classic Car Show though.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
They'll be there Rocke, delegation over from Royat that weekend, not sure about the other lot attending the Classic Car Show though.


Aha !

I might enter mine.
Kill a few birds with one stone that will.  Very Happy
stoob

Community Council

I've got this klaxon off of a redundant crane at the RTB Hot Mill. Finding somewhere to test it may be a problem there's loud and loud and it's very loud.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout  
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually informed or simply evil
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
It's rumoured that Abertillery is next on Putin's reclamation list after The Crimea.



Was the council run by Labour in those days Bry ?
stoob

Community Council

Labour dissidents I imagine Rocke, wouldn't think it was all out commuinsts, there again nobody on here offers a different perspective, I'll have a delve when I can access the info
Rocke

This has always been Labour's domain as far as we're all told Bry.

So it was Labour's domain in the War Years.

Take 78 from 2014, and if you had the benefit of a proper education system you'll know that's 1936.

Someone born in 1936 would not be old enough to appreciate the political climate at the time, which is why I presume that certain members haven't spouted off.

However, I would have expected some history to have been passed along.
My (English) grandfather told me tales about the War Years, what life was like etc., and of course he and Nan faced up to the hardships.

Our TEL's grandparents probably stayed neutral.
Didn't prevent them from enduring the same though, did it?
stoob

Community Council

Early 1900's the majority of miners were Liberal and the tinplate workers were Conservative, seen many newspaper reports of brawls on the streets.
Saw the membership list of The Liberal Club on The Bridge in 1902 recently, Councillors, Doctors, Solicitors, Headmasters and Miners.
Today it's peasants on the streets and snobs over the civic, just gained an hour, tick tock until their out.
Ian Jones

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Early 1900's the majority of miners were Liberal and the tinplate workers were Conservative, seen many newspaper reports of brawls on the streets.
Saw the membership list of The Liberal Club on The Bridge in 1902 recently, Councillors, Doctors, Solicitors, Headmasters and Miners.
Today it's peasants on the streets and snobs over the civic, just gained an hour, tick tock until their out.


I think The Labour Party is a "broad church" and YOU DO NOT THROW FELLOW COUNCILLOR'S AND MEMBERS OUT OF IT JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET YOUR OWN WAY.

The Labour Party is based on freedom of the people not being ruled by it's HIERARCHY AND THEIR CRONIES the sooner SOME PEOPLE realise that the better!
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Early 1900's the majority of miners were Liberal and the tinplate workers were Conservative, seen many newspaper reports of brawls on the streets.
Saw the membership list of The Liberal Club on The Bridge in 1902 recently, Councillors, Doctors, Solicitors, Headmasters and Miners.
Today it's peasants on the streets and snobs over the civic, just gained an hour, tick tock until their out.


Labour Party wasn't properly formed until after the Great War I think.
Did a lot for the working classes then.

Came into its own after WW2, Welfare State etc.

Gone downhill ever since.
'Edless Milliband needs WW3 I think.

Anyway, I'm on an FOI mission.
Town Clerk's going to be busy over the next few months I think.

Co-opted members was it T-Bone?
Eddie legge

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout †
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually uninformed or simply evil
Ian Jones

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout †
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually informed or simply evil



Just for "Clarity" this is actually what Mr Legge Wrote.
He now seems to be misquoting himself not just others.
Eddie legge

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Ian Jones wrote:
Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout †
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually uninformed  or simply evil



Just for "Clarity" this is actually what Mr Legge Wrote.
He now seems to be misquoting himself not just others.

Ever made a mistake Ian Jones
Ian Jones

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Ian Jones wrote:
Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout †
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually informed or simply evil



Just for "Clarity" this is actually what Mr Legge Wrote.
He now seems to be misquoting himself not just others.


NO this is what you said Ed, don't try to make me out to be a LIAR like yourself by Editing posts to make it look that way.

"Informed" in your original post! not uninformed. The two words are worlds apart just like you and the truth really.
Eddie legge

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Ian Jones wrote:
Ian Jones wrote:
Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout †
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually uninformed or simply evil



Just for "Clarity" this is actually what Mr Legge Wrote.
He now seems to be misquoting himself not just others.


NO this is what you said Ed, don't try to make me out to be a LIAR like yourself by Editing posts to make it look that way.

"Informed" in your original post! not uninformed. The two words are worlds apart just like you and the truth really.
Rocke

Yep, the original post - which as it happens is STILL in its original form - reads:

Eddie legge wrote:
stoob not louder than what Rocke can shout  
The Anglo Soviet Agreement was a military alliance signed by the British and Soviet Union against Germany in July 1941
Josef Stalin another one of the devils earthly scouts He executed millions of his own, men women and children
For anyone who attempts to defend Stalin are either intellectually informed or simply evil


The troll's not got the skills to correctly spell 'intelluctually', so obviously his speech writer hasn't got the brains to put the message over.  

Oh - and a strange Labour smear, that if you don't have brains you are evil.

Thanks for pointing this out Ian Jones.
martyn142

I'd think the Anglo-Soviet Council would have been overwhelmingly composed of Communists stoob. At the time of the Blaina Riots, which was 5-6 years earlier, the Unemployed Workers' movement was almost exclusively Communist. They struggled to get support from the Labour-dominated Trades Council.

Similarly at around the same time, the local group opposing Franco in the Spanish Civil war (I've got a photo of them stood outside the Stute somewhere) was overwhelmingly Communist.

Labour was certainly a powerful force in local electoral politics in that era - it was Labour's Alderman Mytton who was in charge of the Public Assistance Committee, which was effectively what the Blaina Rioters were protesting against.
stoob

Community Council

There were Anglo - Soviet Councils throughout South Wales that year but apparently Abertillery was the most influential.
Brinley Evans editor of the South Wales Gazette was a strong supporter but don't believe he was a communist.
Was told by a peer down on Somerset Street that Abertillery didn't have a single air raid shelter in 1940.
Anyway back to the thread how long until we oust the councillors ?
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Stoob my uncle Richard Legge was a communist and has far I know all †his life, He was one of the Means Test protesters who Martyn 142 has written about Richard was one of those sent to prison for 6 months
I remember him saying it was the police not the peaceful protesters who were responsible for Blaina Riots
I believe at one time Blaina was called little Moscow †
My father not a communist but a staunch left wing socialist What I was brought up with, Son There are two sides them and us, The only weapon the working man has is to withdraw his labour, A trade unionist priority to create labour (work for another) He said there hasnít been a bonus scheme invented to benefit the working man, he was dead against overtime
Before my father ended his days as a coal miner He was chairman of Miners Lodge Big Pit Blaenavon
I can remember asking him why not change your coal allowance over to Gas his reply , More chance of finding a bucket coal son but not a bucket gas †
My uncle Richard like Tony Benn believed we had Communist Russia to thank for helping us win World Two, and when growing up during war years and what I deeply regret today, we were told that Stalin was our uncle Joe
Russia did turn the tide against the other devils earthly scout Adolf Hitler Let us not forget the Merchant seamen who lost their lives while taking much needed supplies to Russia
stoob

Community Council

I know there were nearly 39,000 living in Abertillery in the 20's, but they had the old Abertillery UDC back then and not the bigots we have today.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
I know there were nearly 39,000 living in Abertillery in the 20's, but they had the old Abertillery UDC back then and not the bigots we have today.


In those days councillors were the voice of the people they represented, not party sheep. (or in the case of town councillors, town clerk's lambs).

Anyway, anyone seen any Town Council Minutes where moving the War Memorial was discussed?
T Bone

Still no reply from Jimbo and Co. Perhaps they are hoping that we will all go away, NO CHANCE

If itís correct that there are plans to move the War Memorial I hope this is the straw that breaks the camelsí back.

What would be the reason to move it? It couldnít be that Ebbw Vale wants it, they have their own.
Perhaps Jimbo wants one in his garden, or perhaps one of the Clown Councillors (sorry Town Councillors) has a nice little patch of land they could sell to the Council to relocate it.
The land canít be worth much (can it)? What about Council minutes, surely they would discuss it first before they hand it over to their sheep to allow them to agree with them?
Rocke

T Bone wrote:
Still no reply from Jimbo and Co. Perhaps they are hoping that we will all go away, NO CHANCE

If itís correct that there are plans to move the War Memorial I hope this is the straw that breaks the camelsí back.

What would be the reason to move it? It couldnít be that Ebbw Vale wants it, they have their own.
Perhaps Jimbo wants one in his garden, or perhaps one of the Clown Councillors (sorry Town Councillors) has a nice little patch of land they could sell to the Council to relocate it.
The land canít be worth much (can it)? What about Council minutes, surely they would discuss it first before they hand it over to their sheep to allow them to agree with them?


Now that's an interesting theory.   Wink
(And please note precisely the words I refer to, there is no mention of ownership ).
eddie Joness

T Bone wrote:
Still no reply from Jimbo and Co. Perhaps they are hoping that we will all go away, NO CHANCE

If itís correct that there are plans to move the War Memorial I hope this is the straw that breaks the camelsí back.

What would be the reason to move it? It couldnít be that Ebbw Vale wants it, they have their own.
Perhaps Jimbo wants one in his garden, or perhaps one of the Clown Councillors (sorry Town Councillors) has a nice little patch of land they could sell to the Council to relocate it.
The land canít be worth much (can it)? What about Council minutes, surely they would discuss it first before they hand it over to their sheep to allow them to agree with them?



I have a nice piece of land for sale
Rocke

eddie Joness wrote:
T Bone wrote:
Still no reply from Jimbo and Co. Perhaps they are hoping that we will all go away, NO CHANCE

If itís correct that there are plans to move the War Memorial I hope this is the straw that breaks the camelsí back.

What would be the reason to move it? It couldnít be that Ebbw Vale wants it, they have their own.
Perhaps Jimbo wants one in his garden, or perhaps one of the Clown Councillors (sorry Town Councillors) has a nice little patch of land they could sell to the Council to relocate it.
The land canít be worth much (can it)? What about Council minutes, surely they would discuss it first before they hand it over to their sheep to allow them to agree with them?



I have a nice piece of land for sale


Add a couple of more esses to your name and I'll have a nice vivarium for you.
stoob

Community Council

Property alert - snob has land for sale.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Property alert - snob has land for sale.


Through which Estate Agents?
T Bone

So any news when the interviews for the Town Clerks post are taking place?
How many are being interviewed and are there any connections with any Town Councillors?
I have been told that the plan is/was to move the War Memorial into town. Where it would go I have no idea, or what would happen to the land where it is currently situated? I think itís in the perfect location, right opposite the TA centre. What better inspiration for the young Cadets.  
Perhaps a better plan would be to use their time and effort into trying to encourage more businesses into the Town Centre.
I still believe that there should be some type of Community communication on this site. The Town Councilís silence is deafening. Saying that our local Councillors are no better.
martyn142

The original advert, which was advertised on the CC website itself and also, I'm told by the CC clerk, by the Jobcentre (via Twitter only for some reason) and on the BGCC website, attracted very few applicants. The closing date was 28th March.

Personally I was a bit concerned that the means of advertising the job were quite limited and I talked to the Society for Local Council Clerks (I was advised to do so by WAG), who confirmed that essentailly there aren't any requirements on how these jobs are dealt with. Some smaller councils recruit by word of mouth apparently, which is crazy in my opinion but there you go.

Anyway the job has been readvertised, although I don't know what means are being used this time. The new closing date is 14th April.

The CC are well aware that this process is under close scrutiny and hopefully this will ensure that it is dealt with absolutely fairly. I'm not suggesting that it wouldn't have been otherwise of course, although as i mentioned before, there were rumours about who might have been the preferred candidate.
stoob

Community Council

"T Bone", believe this was all connected to the proposed Resource Centre (Institute).
Apparently they wanted to spend the bulk of £2 Million shipping what we have in the shape of the War Memorial, Library and part time Police Station up there.
May have been a few farthings left over for something new I suppose, but doubtful.
See if I can get a copy and put it up on here.
martyn142

Yes stoob, that's the area they were thinking of moving the War Memorial to.
stoob

Community Council

Where's Curly, Larry and Moe today ?
martyn142

I'd imagine they are hiding behind the sofa. As they were when their heroes held the public meeting in Llan.  Laughing
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
"T Bone", believe this was all connected to the proposed Resource Centre (Institute).
Apparently they wanted to spend the bulk of £2 Million shipping what we have in the shape of the War Memorial, Library and part time Police Station up there.
May have been a few farthings left over for something new I suppose, but doubtful.
See if I can get a copy and put it up on here.


Sort of right.

I think what really happened was this:

Abertillery Ward Councillors plus the Town Clerk/Executive Member for Regeneration wanted to acquire the Stute (note - a Miners' Stute, so presumably proceeds from the sale would be the property of members) and turn it into a Resource Centre.

This despite tha fact that the former 'Lib' was already in the ownership of BGCBC (and in my time proposed to be a 'one-stop shop' plus the base for - wait for it - the Town Council).

It is my belief that the relocation of the War memorial was for one purpose, and that is to tap in to funds available for the upkeep etc. of War Memorials inm order to effectively subsidise the  creation of the 'resource centre'.
In other words, the regeneration funds weren't available so BGCBC looked to other funding streams ie. War Memorial upkeep to bridge the gap.

Now, the Town Council doesn't seem to have discussed (nor therefore made a decision on) the relocation of the War Memorial, which is actually the responsibility of er..... the Town Council (despite apparently hiving it off to CADW).
Cllr Bartlett, being Executive member for Regeneration, would have known about the plans, yet his employer - Abertillery & Llanhilleth Town Council - seem not to have been in the loop at all.

So, come on Town Councillors - we look forward to some (even one) of you asking the question.

It also begs the question from the rest of us as to whether the vacancy of Town Clerk arising at around that time is coincidental or not.

Anyone want to write to the Town Council and ask the reason why the position has been advertised, and if because of the incumbant's resignation for what reason did he resign?

Did he do the decent thing regarding 'conflict of interest', was it pointed out to him or - as has been intimated to me - did it get too hot?
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Where's Curly, Larry and Moe today ?


Agitator  Laughing
stoob

Community Council

Where are the agent provocateur's ?
Rocke

I've been doing a bit of ferretting about as the result of a few requests for information and advice and as a result the article in T-bone's original post came to my attention.

I quote directly (it's purportedly by Jim Roles):

"I think that it would be timely to let everyone know that there is a some confusion as to how much the community council is costing those who pay the council tax. Some of the costs I have heard mentioned openly are way off the mark. Firstly it should be mentioned that All Community Councillors are elected or co opted volunteers and are totally unpaid.

The amount paid to maintain the Community Council through the council tax is actually 26 pence for a Band A Property (72% of houses are in this category) per household per week. This enables the Community Council to support local groups, provide the Allotments, maintain the War Memorial, provide the Christmas Lights, provide recognition Awards for other local volunteers and sports prizes for children from Bournville to the Swffryd etc. The Community Council are quietly very proactive within the community in so many ways from Planning and Environmental issues to working with the Police and other local services
. "

Now I'm not accusing town cllr Roles of misinforming the public, since he could have genuinely and faithfully relayed information provided to him.

HOWEVER:

"is a some confusion as to how much the community council is costing those who pay the council tax"
I can't see why. It's very clearly detailed on the Council Tax Bill.
There could be some confusion I suppose because of course those receiving CTB (a huge majority of pensioners certainly) might mistakenly think that they are getting a 'rebate' on the Community Council's Levy (councils such as this don't levy Council Tax, so don't be fooled that they have to charge it).

"Firstly it should be mentioned that All Community Councillors are elected or co opted volunteers and are totally unpaid."  
Not totally unpaid. This statement is totally incorrect.
Community Councillors are entitled to expenses when representing their council outside of its boundaries, attending meetings, events, functions etc. and I believe can actually claim a fee in certain circumstances. (I recall that when I was on the BGCBC/Community Council Consultative Committee the meetings were held in Ebbw Vale, which has no CC, so of course all Community Councillors who attended would be entitled to something).
Additionally the Mayor gets an allowance.
A look at the accounts shows this, and the percentage of our money which goes to the benefit of Community Councillors (even if it's a simple repayment of a meal you have to eat somewhere, sometime and no-one repays me for my meals in Wetherspoons or whatever).

"This enables the Community Council to support local groups, provide the Allotments, maintain the War Memorial, provide the Christmas Lights, provide recognition Awards for other local volunteers and sports prizes for children from Bournville to the Swffryd etc. "

Sorry, but this is more porkie than kosher.
The Community Council does not 'maintain the War Memorial' as cllr Roles puts it.
In the 90's it signed over the upkeep to CADW (all War Memorials being listed monuments) so it costs A&L CC absolutely nothing to maintain. Additionally recent works have been carried out under the auspices of BGCBC with funding from central government.

It does however have overall responsibility for our War Memorial.
SO WHY ISN'T IT USING OUR MONEY TO KEEP THE DANDELIONS AND OTHER WEEDS AT BAY?????
Also, our War Memorial doesn't have disabled access shamefully.
So, not much upkeeping and expense going on there then.

"provide the Christmas Lights"
Another one Richmond would be proud of I'm afraid.

Originally A&LCC fully funded the Christmas Lights but as you will see from its accounts over the years the amount has dwindled substantially.
That's because it in effect offloaded the lot to CF and BG.
I remember being asked to make a donation to the Lights as a councillor and I'm sure our traders will have received begging letters from BG's Town Manager asking for donations.

The money the CC does put in is good value to it though.
It contributes a small proportion of the cost yet seeks to have 100% of the kudos.
(Nice one Cllr Roles, you'll go far in this game  Smile )

"provide recognition Awards for other local volunteers and sports prizes for children from Bournville to the Swffryd etc."
Slightly naughty because this implies every year. It is every year yet sees a huge uplift in the months before council elections, when community councillors who are candidates for Borough elections are seen all over the place (and even non-town councillors, who just happen to be members of the Labour Party).
Oh - and of course the functions where these are given out do have somewhat lavish buffets and er.... drinks.

"The Community Council are quietly very proactive within the community in so many ways from Planning and Environmental issues to working with the Police and other local services"
Mmm...... "quietly very proactive" eh?
Another word for 'quietly' is 'stealthily' in my book and indeed this is what happens.
Community Councils are statutory consultees on many matters, including - yes, you've got it ! - er.... Planning and Environmental matters, the Emergency Services and a few that cllr Roles has omitted such as the NHS.
However, how many people know that our 'town council' debate some planning applications, not all of them, and that in fact 'some' actually means 'a very small proportion'?
Also, co-opted member Christine Tidey is Borough Councillor Christine Tidey who is a member of BGCBC's Planning Committee.

It is at this point that I now move from what's been said to what's not.
I don't know the depth and level of cllr Roles' local government experience but his council is also a statutory consultee for regeneration matters (and not just because of planning implications).  

So, perhaps we could be informed:

* why the relocation of the War Memorial was actively pursued?
* why more buildings are being acquired and demolished for car parking?
* why the multi-storey was demolished without the contract for rebuilding being in place?  
* why the town council has use of a unit intended for small industrial enterprises?
* why the town council hasn't used its powers to provide public conveniences, and hence keep ours open (there's enough money in the bank to do it, according to the accounts)
* why the town council hasn't used its powers re. street lighting, and hence at least keep ours on for as long as previously, instead of night and day workers having to travel in the dark (there's enough money in the bank to do this also, according to the accounts).

If my fiefdom was being subjected to this destruction of infrastructure I'd be in there fighting I can tell you.

Oh - and can he name any (let alone how many) of the other powers that community councils have to help them enhance our lives a little (and of course that they are not using)?
T Bone

I think you are wasting your time with the questions Rocke. Almost 2000 views, 61 posts and not one Community Councillor or the Chair (to be fair Jimbo does seems to be having his photograph taken a lot these days) has the decency to answer any query that has been posted.
Itís all well and good being elected (or Co-opted) on to the Community Council, but these people really need to be able to justify their existence  
They just treat the Council Tax payer with complete and utter contempt.
Rocke

T Bone wrote:
I think you are wasting your time with the questions Rocke. Almost 2000 views, 61 posts and not one Community Councillor or the Chair (to be fair Jimbo does seems to be having his photograph taken a lot these days) has the decency to answer any query that has been posted.
Itís all well and good being elected (or Co-opted) on to the Community Council, but these people really need to be able to justify their existence †
They just treat the Council Tax payer with complete and utter contempt.


Actually I think not.

A lot of the 2000 views will no doubt be Community Councillors concerned with what's being said about their enclave.
In fairness quite a few probably don't realise that things aren't as they should be, that they should be the ones in control, formulating policy. They possibly think that the Town Clerk runs their council.

Imagine telling a child that an animal that barks is a cat. Every time it sees a dog it pats it and says 'attaboy'.

The same with anyone who needs to learn.
They thought I was an absolute newbie when I got elected, and thought they could 'educate' me in the way of things.

It's the same with 'town councillors'.
They are amateurs (in the proper sense of the word, unpaid and hence therefore not expected to be or behave like professionals) and they were all newbies once.
They've been 'educated' that their job is to support and endorse all that the Town Clerk suggests, that he is the head of the council.

It's complete nonsense of course, and diametrically opposed to the context of democracy that community councils are there to uphold, yet these 'ordinary' people do not realise that.

I look on this as an opportunity to get over to them that THEY shoudl be giving the orders, and enlightening them on what THEY can do to enhance daily life for the citizens that they represent.

THEY could make such a difference and indeed could be looked upon as heroes, living proof that community councils can alleviate, counter and even negate cuts in services that ineptly governed and controlled Borough Councils force upon us.

Is it any coincidence that the person they listen to is a 'high up' on the Borough Council?
Is it any coincidence that THEY haven't been advised on things that they as a council could do to prevent the degradation of our town and citizens' lives?

Oh no 'T' I'm not wasting my time because if I get through to enough of the genuine ones then perhaps Aber will not simply be looked upon as a town to destroy by a Labour-controlled BGCBC.

Of course, I'm up against it, because those same people have been 'educated' that some people have a grudge against A&L CC and are simply seeking to discredit it.

The WAO, when it eventually gets involved (for involved it will become, given the dossier of questionable activities that's been built up) will give the definitive decision on whether I and people like me are correct.

Anyway, I ask (some of) our viewers:

Your Mayor 'Jim Roles' is quoted as saying that the War Memorial is the Community Council's responsibility.
So, were you consulted about plans to relocate it?

And if you were you need to ask this question:

WHY, it's ours so we should have decided if we wanted it moved in the first place?

(Some) decent people used as pawns.

If anyone wants to use this anywhere else I'm happy for them to do so, you don't need to ask my permission.
T Bone

Still no word off Jimbo and Co.
If there is a Community Councillor who happens to be reading this (Iím sure with will be), I would like to draw your attention to the appalling state of the War Memorial. Itís covered with weeds, dandelions and the grass needs a good cut.
I know you all like to take the credit for the wonderful work you do for our community and that you are responsible for the up keep of the Memorial, so do something about it.
If there is no money to have the work done, how about this for a novel solution; do it yourselves, actually, physically go out and clear the area up to the standard that the people itís remembering deserve.
Remember action speaks louder than works.
Think about it Jimbo another fantastic photo opportunity for you.
Rocke

The War Memorial is an absolute disgrace to be honest.

The reason I say that is because it looks like this community doesn't care.

I've had the privilege to visit Arnhem Cemetary on three occasions.
It's roughly the size of a small football pitch.

On every occasion - even when it was raining - there were one or two locals cutting grass by hand or tidying up here and there.
I got the idea that as soon as a weed shoves its head up it's out.

It's a disgrace.
And the only reason I'm not doing anything about it is that if I and the countless like-minded people did sort it then the town council and councillors would be let off the hook.

The media needs to be informed I think.

Oh - and I've still not heard of plans for disabled access.
T Bone

Just a quick update on the state of the grounds at the War Memorial.

The good news is that all the yellow heads of the dandelions have turn to seed and have been dispersed throughout the grounds, unfortunately the weeds and long grass is still there.
The bad news being that the appalling sight of the weeds, long grass and the dandelions is going to be ten times worse next year due to the fact that the problem wasnít dealt with this year.

Will done to all our wonderful Community Councillors, you are doing a wonderful job.
stoob

Community Council

There's a delegation coming from twin town Royat in the summer, maybe they'll hire another firm from Yorkshire to do the weeding.
T Bone

Finally, the grass has been cut at the War Memorial.

Pity whoever went to all the trouble of cutting back the grass, weeds and dead dandelions, couldnít be bothered to rake up the mess which was left. They wasnít even concerned with the state of the flower beds, which have flowers in them along with weeds and of course the dead headless dandelions and is now covered in cut grass.
How much longer would it have taken to weeds the flowerbeds and just rake up the grass and weeds which were cut back and remove it.

Why isnít there a schedule of work in place to deal with the applauding state of the War Memorial?
Pay someone, a local landscape gardener 1 day a week to work on it, arenít the people itís remembering worth it?  

Come on Community Council no more half measures please. If this was a school report it would read MUST DO BETTER
Rocke

Don't worry, I have the evidence.

I'm afraid that I'm a little busy at the mo but I'll find time to post the photos.

Oh - and the names and addresses of the town councillors who should be ashamed of how their council treats the memories of this area's heroes.
T Bone

Just a quick heads up for Jimbo and Co.
Its time you arrange to have the grass cut once again, and this time try to make sure the jobs done correctly, rake up the dead grass and a bit of weeding wonít go amiss. Itís not has if you are expected to do it yourself. You only have to arrange to have done. Iím sure even you can manage that, drop by when itís being done, take a camera, there will be a fantastic photo opportunity for you, another to add to the collection on the Abertillery and Llanhilleth Town Council website.

Any news no the appointment of the Town Clerk?
eddie smith

T Bone wrote:
Just a quick heads up for Jimbo and Co.
Its time you arrange to have the grass cut once again, and this time try to make sure the jobs done correctly, rake up the dead grass and a bit of weeding wonít go amiss. Itís not has if you are expected to do it yourself. You only have to arrange to have done. Iím sure even you can manage that, drop by when itís being done, take a camera, there will be a fantastic photo opportunity for you, another to add to the collection on the Abertillery and Llanhilleth Town Council website.

Any news no the appointment of the Town Clerk?


We don`t need to explain to people like you.
stoob

Community Council

Bigot.
martyn142

Alison Parker is the new town clerk.
stoob

Community Council

Do you know who the reverend of the Labour Party's Broad Church is Martyn ?
Saeson

eddie smith wrote:
T Bone wrote:
Just a quick heads up for Jimbo and Co.
Its time you arrange to have the grass cut once again, and this time try to make sure the jobs done correctly, rake up the dead grass and a bit of weeding wonít go amiss. Itís not has if you are expected to do it yourself. You only have to arrange to have done. Iím sure even you can manage that, drop by when itís being done, take a camera, there will be a fantastic photo opportunity for you, another to add to the collection on the Abertillery and Llanhilleth Town Council website.

Any news no the appointment of the Town Clerk?


We don`t need to explain to people like you.


Ah, the arrogance of a party that thinks it`ll get elected even if they put up a monkey (as they frequently do).

Town centre`s looking nice btw  Laughing
T Bone

eddie smith wrote:
T Bone wrote:
Just a quick heads up for Jimbo and Co.
Its time you arrange to have the grass cut once again, and this time try to make sure the jobs done correctly, rake up the dead grass and a bit of weeding wonít go amiss. Itís not has if you are expected to do it yourself. You only have to arrange to have done. Iím sure even you can manage that, drop by when itís being done, take a camera, there will be a fantastic photo opportunity for you, another to add to the collection on the Abertillery and Llanhilleth Town Council website.

Any news no the appointment of the Town Clerk?


We don`t need to explain to people like you.



Amazing, you shake a tree and look what falls out!
And what do you mean Ďpeople like youí?
 
But you are correct in your assumption, I donít want YOU to explain anything to me. I would much rather have a conversation with an adult.

Anyway I would have thought that you would be too busy rallying around and supporting your friend to be no here wasting your time with your pitiful postings.

Who are you going to give the bullets to fire, now that you are on your own?
martyn142

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Do you know who the reverend of the Labour Party's Broad Church is Martyn ?

Nope! By the way did you see a menton of Scully, the civic car and a bottle of Drambuie on Speakeasy? Can't think what they were referring to  Very Happy
stoob

Community Council

Not on speakeasy, but plenty more to come out and Scully's not involved.
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
Do you know who the reverend of the Labour Party's Broad Church is Martyn ?


Talking of churches, why is Jubilee Square still locked and unaccessible to the public whose money was put into the construction of it ?
T Bone

Last weekend the weather was wonderful, with lots of people milling around the town.  What better reason would there have been to open up the square. I think, the people in town would have loved to have gone in, sat down and just used it for the purpose it was build.  What a shame it was locked up.

I hope we don't have to wait until our French friends come over before it's opened.
T Bone

Interesting to read what Jim Roles wrote in his end of term Chairmanís statement
ĎHe expressed concern at the amount of mis-information in circulationí
If he means that some people are quoting that the Community Council costs the Council Tax payer £90,000 per year, why didnít he just come out and make a statement of the correct amount?
Why did he try to baffle us with his Ď The amount paid to maintain the Community Council through the council tax is actually 26 pence for a Band A Property (72% of houses are in this category) per household per week.í
How much are the other 28% of Abertillery and Llanhilleth Council Tax payers paying?
What exactly does this amount equate to, and why be so vague about the exact amount?

Hopefully the new Chair, Glyn Smith, will be a little more open than Jimbo.
stoob

Community Council

TOWN CENTRE PUBLIC CONSULTATION

The dates for the Abertillery Town Centre Regeneration Programme consultation are as follows:

   Wednesday 18th June 3.30pm - 6.00pm
   Mitre Street Council Offices (Traders only)
   Thursday 19th June 2.00pm - 7.00pm - The Met (General Public)
   Friday 20th June 1.00pm- 6.00pm - The Met (General Public)

The following projects will be consulted:

   Physical Regeneration Grant Programme
   Traffic Management (Tillery Street & Bywaters Row)
   Alma / Tillery Street footpath link
   Proposed Carmel Street Car Park
   Tillery / Division Street Enhancement Scheme
   Proposed private Car Park (Chapel Street)
Rocke

Re: Community Council

stoob wrote:
TOWN CENTRE PUBLIC CONSULTATION

The dates for the Abertillery Town Centre Regeneration Programme consultation are as follows:

† †Wednesday 18th June 3.30pm - 6.00pm
† †Mitre Street Council Offices (Traders only)
† †Thursday 19th June 2.00pm - 7.00pm - The Met (General Public)
† †Friday 20th June 1.00pm- 6.00pm - The Met (General Public)

The following projects will be consulted:

† †Physical Regeneration Grant Programme
† †Traffic Management (Tillery Street & Bywaters Row)
† †Alma / Tillery Street footpath link
† †Proposed Carmel Street Car Park
† †Tillery / Division Street Enhancement Scheme
† †Proposed private Car Park (Chapel Street)


Bit late for some of them isn't it?

Did you do a typo Bry?
I think 'Traffice mismanagement would be a better term.
It took the council over 5 years to put a filter lane by 'the Rugby' to ease congestion after I suggested it in 2008.

To my knowledge at least 3 people have already fallen into the unprotected/uncovered storm drain between Alma St and Tillery St (Tillery St side, opposite Newall St junction.)

I've been told that Cllr McCarthy had a site meeting there with one of his constituents, who was considering launching a claim against the council.

Well over 18 mionths later and it's still a big danger.

The proposed Carmel St Car Park is subtitled 'the demolition of the former Palace Cinema, aka Arena' and the council have already sent letters to residents in the proximity regarding its intentions (despite the owner knowing nothing of it apparently).

The Tillery and Division Streets 'enhancement scheme' should surely, on past experience be termed 'rip it up and start again' scheme. After all, that's what's happened to the Foundry Bridge, Tillery and Division streets (Foundry Square should have been where the waste ground is.
Interestingly it's not now called the 'War Memorial Relocation scheme'. (More on this one in a week or two I think).

And who's the private car park for in Chapel St.????

The council can't consult that way I don't think. It would have to be a Planning matter.

Might have to make a bit of time I suspect. † Twisted Evil

Cue nEddie Smith (tho' this isn't about ex-Aberystywth - yet)...........................
stoob

Community Council

The private car park is supposedly for the residents of Bon Marche house.

Nothing to do with this but allegedly there's moves to knock down both Bryngwyn & Queen Street Schools to put up another modern day eyesore.
Rocke

Town Council website is now more than 1 month old ie behind.

Apparently Jim Roles is still Chairman and Graham Bartlett has still announced his intention to retire.

I heard tonight that the new 'Town Clerk' has allegedly had their offer of employment revoked due to er... their pronouncement and publication of personal views that were counter to those expected of someone who in the future would be the mainstay of the council.

Can anyone enlighten us?

I can certainly tell you that governance and management of Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council is giving me cause for concern.

* I'm given to understand that following the Borough Council's wish to relocate the War Memorial the 'town council' - which is the steward and custodian of it - sent a letter to BG stating that it did not want it moved.
WHY? (send the letter that is). It's for A&LCC to start the process, not the other way around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* The 'town council' is a statutory consultee in a number of aspects, yet it appears that when BGCBC has been making the appropriate approaches not all of these have been reported and discussed by the council (the above re. the War memorial is an example).

* There are question marks over Twinning issues, especially the original arrangements and the creation/running of the Twinning Association.
At least one high profile and highly respected organisation's local branch pulled out.

* The appointment of co-opted councillors was effected by secret ballot, which I believe was irregular and quite possibly inappropriate and hence invalid.

The WAO will be the arbiter of such matters no doubt.
Brithyll

I can confirm that the appointed Town Clerk has had the offer revoked †and the job has gone to the son of a town councillor from what I've been told. Name of Tidey?

His mother is on the town council apparantly.
eddie smith

Brithyll wrote:
I can confirm that the appointed Town Clerk has had the offer revoked †and the job has gone to the son of a town councillor from what I've been told. Name of Tidey?

His mother is on the town council apparantly.



Tidy  Laughing
Rocke

Brithyll wrote:
I can confirm that the appointed Town Clerk has had the offer revoked †and the job has gone to the son of a town councillor from what I've been told. Name of Tidey?

His mother is on the town council apparantly.


That would be Christine Tidey, who's appointment (as co-opted member) is soon to be the subject of scrutiny ????????

Oh - and a word of advice to the original successful candidate.
An offer, verbal or in writing is a contract, and breach of contract is a tort, actionable in a civil court.

Methinks that the 'town council' is getting itself in deeper and deeper.

Not so much tidying the rubbish but rubbishing the Tidey (mater that is) ?   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
ajtidey

community council

i understand that some people on here have been slagging my family and myself off with rubbish about me becoming the next town clerk of Abertillery and Llanhilleth Community Council. May i take this opportunity to say nothing can be further from the truth. I havent the slightest interest in politics and anyone who knows me also knows this.Ex councillor Rocke should know this as he knows me reasonably well and im surprised he should lead an attack on me as to my knowledge ive never done anything to him. However unless i receive a full apology then perhaps he would like a letter from my solicitor. At least he has the guts to put his name on here compared to the rest of you delightful cowards who remain anonymous.
Rocke

Re: community council

ajtidey wrote:
i understand that some people on here have been slagging my family and myself off with rubbish about me becoming the next town clerk of Abertillery and Llanhilleth Community Council. May i take this opportunity to say nothing can be further from the truth. I havent the slightest interest in politics and anyone who knows me also knows this.Ex councillor Rocke should know this as he knows me reasonably well and im surprised he should lead an attack on me as to my knowledge ive never done anything to him. However unless i receive a full apology then perhaps he would like a letter from my solicitor. At least he has the guts to put his name on here compared to the rest of you delightful cowards who remain anonymous.


Mmm.

Perhaps you'd quote something where I've maligned you Andrew?

You are right in one respect -  "Rocke should know this as he knows me reasonably well..." - which is er... why you won't be able to produce the goods, as they say.

Might I suggest two things?

1) NEVER get taken in by anything a bolitician says. Always be of your own mind and firstly understand what they really said (or didn't) and then find some way of verifying that they actually did.

2) Recognise that although you have lit a fuse I'm not detonating just yet.

Oh, go on, let's have no. 3 as well:

Let me know who filled your head full of that carp.
ajtidey

Community council

I refer you to a post from 7th April under the title community council - town clerk. its Q3, if thats not an attack on me then i dont know what is. Also a lady entered my workplace today and congratulated me on becoming the new town clerk. as i was made redundant last week i find this v v upsetting. Dont you dare drag me into your political arguements as i have no interest in politics at all and i have done nothing to upset or anger you
Rocke

Re: Community council

ajtidey wrote:
I refer you to a post from 7th April under the title community council - town clerk. its Q3, if thats not an attack on me then i dont know what is. Also a lady entered my workplace today and congratulated me on becoming the new town clerk. as i was made redundant last week i find this v v upsetting. Dont you dare drag me into your political arguements as i have no interest in politics at all and i have done nothing to upset or anger you


So, it's this one then?

Rocke wrote:
Well I'm not exactly happy to do this, because if people have qualms about something either: a) say it; or b) make a complaint and see what happens as a result.

However, I can understand why people are reluctant to put their heads above the parapet, so:

Question 1 - why has the position of Clerk to Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council become vacant?

Q2 - did he resign or was he pushed?

Q3 - is a candidate for the position related to any current member of A&Ll CC? and if so;
Are they related to member who has been co-opted?, and if so;
Is it one whose co-option is about to be the subject of an investigation into the manner of their co-option? , and if so;
Is it a member who has formerly held the position of Leader of A&Ll CC?

Answers on a postcard please (doesn't take that much space to write 'yes' or 'no').

Now that's what I think is a tidy summing up of all that's been said to me tonight.


How ironic that someone in your line of work reads far too much into things.
All you or someone had to do was answer 'no' to Q3 and all the rumour-mongering that was spewed all over FB (which I don't subscribe to, for those very reasons) and out onto 'the street' (which I am a part of, like it or not) would have been knocked on the head.

That in fact was what I was trying to precipitate. A&LCC is far too secretive, ham-fisted and couched in the old boy scratch my back nepotistic traditions of the past to be anywhere near open and transparent, and hence anything remotely to do with it becomes a free-for-all.

So, instead of someone answering the question and you not having to become aggrieved instead we have you making Strike 2.

I suggest that you are now close to jumping into the stinking swamp of local bolitics.

Oh - and next time someone indicates to you that they have been misinformed would it not be a good idea to ask for the source of that fallacy?
ajtidey

Community council

how could i reply when i didnt know about it until yesterday. Thats why im replying now. Also the lady concerned told me the source of the rumours. you.
Rocke

As I said, let me know who's been a naughty girl   Laughing

So, some lady comes into the Library, congratulates you on becoming the new Lord of the Feifdom and says that 'David Rocke told me' ????????

Funny that I don't recall telling anyone (being told, yes - but as I said, always find out for yourself) that.

Of course, we've now crossed the Rubicon because clearly nothing I say or advise is going to change your stance especially since you seem to be doing exactly the thing you've accused me of ie. listening to, taking for granted and then propogating rumour and hearsay.

Welcome to the world of bolitics.
Sink or swim, as they say.

Now then, let's get a starter for 10 - labolur party member by any chance ?     Wink

Btw - don't get one of the Labour Party's solicitors.
If they're as good as their PR clowns you won't last until Christmas.
ajtidey

Community council

Actually thats where you are wrong. i'm prepared to forgive and forget as thats my nature. What i'm angry about is why i have been dragged into pointless political crap when i have never been a councillor or never will be one as i have no interest. The lady is actually 72 years of age from either Brookside or Roberts Row who was pleased that i had found alternative employment and said she had read it on here so obviously i had to read it and i wanted to defend myself and put the matter straight. As i have said i have no personal problem against you (never have had, actually voted for you)but as you can surely appreciate i need to know whats going on as if people think i already have a job, i'm not going to get another. Also as i DO know you and as said yesterday at least you have the guts to put your real name on here i was hoping to get to the heart of the matter. I also am not a member of fb for the reasons you stated but it seems to me this site is far more dangerous.
Rocke

Re: Community council

ajtidey wrote:
Actually thats where you are wrong. i'm prepared to forgive and forget as thats my nature. What i'm angry about is why i have been dragged into pointless political crap when i have never been a councillor or never will be one as i have no interest. The lady is actually 72 years of age from either Brookside or Roberts Row who was pleased that i had found alternative employment and said she had read it on here so obviously i had to read it and i wanted to defend myself and put the matter straight. As i have said i have no personal problem against you (never have had, actually voted for you)but as you can surely appreciate i need to know whats going on as if people think i already have a job, i'm not going to get another. Also as i DO know you and as said yesterday at least you have the guts to put your real name on here i was hoping to get to the heart of the matter. I also am not a member of fb for the reasons you stated but it seems to me this site is far more dangerous.


Hang on.
YOU'RE "prepared to forgive and forget" ????????????????????

Let's get this right.
You claim that I know you well enough to know you're not the political sort etc.
If that's the case you should know me well enough to know I don't do the sort of things you believe I have.
So, do you not think that your anger etc. would pale into insignificance when compared to mine, having been charged, tried and found guilty on the say-so of someone who is probably either a sheep (for following the party line) or a donkey (for believing all they read and/or are told) ?????????????  

Listen Andrew, Gordon Brown didn't get slated for calling someone a bigot, he got crucified for calling a little old lady a bigot.
These people who are agitating you are looking for me to go bananas on someone who hasn't put a foot wrong, who is respected and who wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose.
Then it would be 'well Rocke's OK having a go at an old man who politically disagrees with him but doesn't like it when an upright and non-political man in the street sticks up for himself'.

Fwiw I am incandescent at the approach you have taken over this, mainly because this is being played out in full public view, and regrettably people STILL have to be made/kept aware that I'm not some shrinking violet who turns the other cheek when my reputation is impugned.

You - and I apologise for saying it straight - are being used in the same way that Mr Legge was and consequently your posts will be treated the same way as his was.

Please don't end up the way 'he' did.

Read and take in what THAT post said.

No, I'll give you the story.

In April I was approached by someone regarding the vacancy for 'Town Clerk'. It seems that FB was alive with this gossip, that rumour etc. etc.
I was clearly being primed to initiate a witch hunt.

So:

1) "I'm not exactly happy to do this, because if people have qualms about something either: a) say it; or b) make a complaint and see what happens as a result. "
Yep, I'm not happy about having to put my name to questions people want answered (not least because the stock response is 'he's only doing it because he's miffed about not being a councillor any more'.
If the 'town council' was open about things, not run like a fiefdom (and that's more a reflection on councillors and weak governance than the clerk) then no-one could have suspicions.
The proof of that is the way the vacancy was 'advertised' (if you could call it that).

2) Q's 1 & 2 were asked of me. I proffered an opinion but of course it's not my opinion that counts but fact.

3) Councillors, activists etc. read Abertillery Online (and act on it, witness Jubilee Square being a bit more accessible now, the storm about the War Memorial relocation etc.) and I think it's good that they know they are being er.... monitored and respond accordingly ie. to public wishes.
Oh - and er.... the former town clerk's resignation subsequent to certain posts on here does lead one to believe that AoL is a potent lobbyist.  Wink

4) Your name was specifically mentioned. As we've already established we know each other well and I found it unedifying that you were potentially being sullied with accusations of nepotism.
I think the words were "rumour has it that ...........".
Therefore the question was asked.
All it needed was a 'no' somewhere along the line.
Ironically it appears that a 'no' was correct, and indeed would have obviated this whole thread.

Ask yourself - why has a post from April suddenly become hot news in late June?
I suggest it's because of a post on 19th June, where Brithyll posted:

"I can confirm that the appointed Town Clerk has had the offer revoked  and the job has gone to the son of a town councillor from what I've been told. Name of Tidey?

His mother is on the town council apparantly.
"

I of course, being keen to be helpful, pointed out that it could only be "Christine Tidey, who's appointment (as co-opted member) is soon to be the subject of scrutiny".
There's nothing there that mentions you.

And neither is there farther on, when I provide advice for the apparent victim of a (implied) breach of contract.

And the final bit: "Not so much tidying the rubbish but rubbishing the Tidey (mater that is) ?" clearly does not relate to you.  

It will be apparent now that I fight - even relish fighting - my own battles, and I'm one to meet things full on.

You don't have a battle to fight.
You never did.

So why let someone drag you into theirs?
ajtidey

Community council

First up thanks for setting the story straight. At least this can be put to bed now as far as I'm concerned. I am not being used as anybody's pawn politically. I genuinely knew nothing about any of this until Wednesday. I know a hell of a lot now obviously. It was the nepotism accusations that angered me as I never applied for any position or even knew it was up for grabs. You're right in that YOU didn't mention me by name but no other gutless bastard will put their name on here and I needed to know what exactly happened. If the matter was of such concern why didn't you or Martin Thomas come and ask me directly. I would have laughed it off like the bollocks it is. I'm very approachable as you know. I neither know or indeed care how the council is run and this is closed now. I hope that everyone on here now realises I am not or never will be a town clerk. Thanks again Dai
Rocke

It was never my place to ask Andy.
I was never interested or involved in anything regarding the appointment of a new town clerk.

I wasn't happy at being used as a mouthpiece and in all honesty it was more to get rumour either knocked on the head or solidified into fact.

To be fair, one of the people who mentioned it to me has a link to the town council, so I could understand that they wanted their name left out, for fear of er.... childish reprisals.

Anyway, all's well that ends well.

We now just have to wait and see which of us has the biggest grin on our face next time we pass in the street.    Smile

Cheers mate !
ajtidey

Community council

thank f~~~ for that. I was 1 step away from walking up and down church street in the morning with a sandwich board in order to clear my name. its just a shame that whoever it was involved you and couldn't speak to me directly. I have even found out this morning that this subject was mentioned on a rugby tour to Perpigian in late March. never knew i was so popular, Suarez got F""" all on me mate. This is how rumours can lead to all sorts of altercations. i was also in a boiling rage which i why i needed it sorted, its a pity brynthll or wotever wouldnt contact me so i could put him or her straight.

see you about dai

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