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Ian Jones

Decision Time.

When the question was asked if perhaps councillors could take a reduction in their salary, it was said in so many words, that would be a small amount that would have little or no effect on the vast sum that needed to be saved.
Now they plan to switch the street lights off to save 30,000 surely 42 councillors could match that between them?

And I seem to remember the turning off of Street lights being mentioned before somewhere Rolling Eyes


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news...gwent-council-decide-cuts-6420446
Rocke

I had a 'sort of' discussion about this when I was on the council.

I was surprised that one of the first things 'we' did (I say it like that because I was one of them) was vote through an increase recommended by the independent Remuneration board (of the WG).

I think it increased allowances from 12k+ to 13-something.
I remeber thinking "what you haven't had you won't miss" and had I made an impact by then (it was literally my first meeting) I'd have said something.

I believe 'councillors' pay' could have been reduced to 10k and chopping a few quid off Special Responsibility Allowances could probably have reduced the bill by 150,000. It would also politically been a very good start for the new administration, showing that not only were we the people's choice but that we were making choices the people wanted.

The topic did come up in subsequent years but since no jobs were threatened and good housekeeping was the order of the day pay was simply kept at the same level for the whole 4 years.

So, I believe a 150k saving is feasible if councillors decided to stand with the workers the Labour Party claims to represent.

I don't know how it would ease the imnpact on particular services but I can say that it would certainly save at least 6 full-time equivalent posts at lower levels, which of course is where most of the 'front line' staff are.
hedley

Rocke wrote:
I had a 'sort of' discussion about this when I was on the council.

I was surprised that one of the first things 'we' did (I say it like that because I was one of them) was vote through an increase recommended by the independent Remuneration board (of the WG).

I think it increased allowances from 12k+ to 13-something.
I remeber thinking "what you haven't had you won't miss" and had I made an impact by then (it was literally my first meeting) I'd have said something.

I believe 'councillors' pay' could have been reduced to 10k and chopping a few quid off Special Responsibility Allowances could probably have reduced the bill by 150,000. It would also politically been a very good start for the new administration, showing that not only were we the people's choice but that we were making choices the people wanted.

The topic did come up in subsequent years but since no jobs were threatened and good housekeeping was the order of the day pay was simply kept at the same level for the whole 4 years.

So, I believe a 150k saving is feasible if councillors decided to stand with the workers the Labour Party claims to represent.

I don't know how it would ease the imnpact on particular services but I can say that it would certainly save at least 6 full-time equivalent posts at lower levels, which of course is where most of the 'front line' staff are.



Yeah right rocke pity you didnt practice what you preach "it was my first meeting so i didnt say anything" http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news...nces-and-expenses-2010-11-1820977

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...port_200910_for_Publicationv2.pdf

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...port_201011_for_Publicationv1.pdf

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...nance/MembersRemuneration1112.pdf

and for 1 month in 2012 ROCKE D 1,320.85 841.77 0.00 0.00 2,162.62

not bad if you can get it talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Ian

That's a bit rich,the leader of this shambles using the phrase 'pot calling the kettle black' next thing you know he'll be saying they represent the interests of the whole of Blaenau Gwent. Rolling Eyes
Ian Jones

Ian wrote:
That's a bit rich,the leader of this shambles using the phrase 'pot calling the kettle black' next thing you know he'll be saying they represent the interests of the whole of Blenau Gwent. Rolling Eyes


If anyone believe's it was infact the Leader saying those thing's Ian.
My money would be on a member of this forum who has been around a long time but would possibly spell Shambles in a different way you did.
They would probably have said Tchambles they really are so see through it is pathetic.
Hell hath no fury like a Tchambuli scorned   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Rocke

hedley wrote:
Rocke wrote:
I had a 'sort of' discussion about this when I was on the council.

I was surprised that one of the first things 'we' did (I say it like that because I was one of them) was vote through an increase recommended by the independent Remuneration board (of the WG).

I think it increased allowances from 12k+ to 13-something.
I remeber thinking "what you haven't had you won't miss" and had I made an impact by then (it was literally my first meeting) I'd have said something.

I believe 'councillors' pay' could have been reduced to 10k and chopping a few quid off Special Responsibility Allowances could probably have reduced the bill by 150,000. It would also politically been a very good start for the new administration, showing that not only were we the people's choice but that we were making choices the people wanted.

The topic did come up in subsequent years but since no jobs were threatened and good housekeeping was the order of the day pay was simply kept at the same level for the whole 4 years.

So, I believe a 150k saving is feasible if councillors decided to stand with the workers the Labour Party claims to represent.

I don't know how it would ease the imnpact on particular services but I can say that it would certainly save at least 6 full-time equivalent posts at lower levels, which of course is where most of the 'front line' staff are.



Yeah right rocke pity you didnt practice what you preach "it was my first meeting so i didnt say anything" http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news...nces-and-expenses-2010-11-1820977

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...port_200910_for_Publicationv2.pdf

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...port_201011_for_Publicationv1.pdf

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/d...nance/MembersRemuneration1112.pdf

and for 1 month in 2012 ROCKE D 1,320.85 841.77 0.00 0.00 2,162.62

not bad if you can get it talk about the pot calling the kettle black


So Sue, what are you actually trying to say ?

I've always been on record as saying that councillors' pay is set independently, and that like any other job the 'employer' should make sure that the 'employee' is doing what they are paid for.

So, why haven't you also cited the NUMBER OF MEETINGS ATTENDENCED by each councillor, which was published in the media?

Oh - and published as a DIRECT RESULT of my intervention in the matter.

In 2009-10 Hedley McCarthy attended 28 meetings out of a possible 37, being on only 3 committees and was paid 23,333.60 for that work on behalf of the er.... Labour Party.

In that period Dai Rocke attended 50 out of a possible 69 - a very similar percentage - but was on no less than SIX committees, and surprisingly received only 18, 913.64 for his work on behalf of the community.

(Well, it's not surprising is it ?)

Cost per meeting? - HM (man of the Party) 761.91 as opposed to Dai Rocke (man of the people) 378.27.

I'm proud to admit that I was less than 1/2 the representative Hedley McCarthy ever was.     Laughing

I feel a vendetta coming on.
Go for it Sue, give me an excuse to launch an attack on this lame duck council and those who think they run it politically.

I'll give you a starter for 10 - "conflict of interest".

PS I 'survived' 4 complaints to the Ombudsman.
If I do any referral the subject won't survive.

Now, run along and tell Aberystwyth Al what a naughty boy I'm being, and advise him that I am not Rhys Ifans.

xx
martyn142

Sue's not saying anything Rockey. It's not her style to say anything under her own name. She does it hidden behind a pseudonym.

Bit gutless but hey ho. She's probably just embarrassed about being seen to be supporting this Council.  Embarassed
Rocke

Well, over a week to respond and absolutely nowt in response Martyn.

Another forum member today showed me some more nonsense being put about.

I feel a rekindling of (the public) interest coming on.

One FOI request to BGCBC coming up, of which I'll keep this forum fully informed.

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