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frederick

Help - Francis Taylor Abertillery B. 1899, Taylor family

Can anyone help to find information on Francis Taylor who served and survived ww1, believed to have died in the 1940's and was given a military funeral. Francis lived in oxford street abertillery, married 1920
to Doris Mercy, he came from a large family had two brothers and two sisters (taylors ) also 3 half brothers and one half sister ( longs ). Any information on these families during the 1940's would be appreciated

Taylors - Longs - Hales all from oxford st. and surrounding area.
lyndon1955

Don't know if there is a connection here for you, just a shot in the dark.

Mrs Mary Taylor 9 Oxford Street purchased a grave for her husband in Blaenau Gwent Baptist Chapel  

18th December 1907 Row 40 Grave 039

Good luck with your search
lyndon1955

Just found this entry for a Francis Taylor 95 Alma Street buried in St Paul’s Cwmtillery 3rd December 1942 aged 43. 2/691
dragongirl

Francis Taylor abertillery

Hi Frederick.Don`t know if you`ve details of his parents etc?
1901 Census  ;- 2 Oxford Street Abertillery

John Taylor Father married aged 33yrs born Gloucester
Mary E "      Mother   "           "     29yrs   "     Cinderford
John Taylor   son      Single     "       8 yrs         Tredegar
Elizabeth A     Dau         "         "      5 yrs          Abertillery    
Frances          son          "         "       2yrs   "       Abertillery

Cannot find him with Family in 1911  have  a Frances Taylor nephew aged 12yrs living with an Uncle T Gardiner in Blaenavon. will try and find his parents
Found his marriage Jan/Feb/march  1920
Francis Taylor To Doris Mercy     Vol 11a  Page 119,
Can`t find and war record for him in 14/18 War   unless he was a boy soldier  12 yrs in 1911 .
Will keep digging
frederick

francis taylor

Thanks for your help
Mary Ellen Taylor was my maternal grandmother, her first husband was John Taylor ( my grandfather ) who died in 1907, before his death he fathered 5 children, one of which was my mother.

Mary Ellen remarried to Frederick J. Long in 1919, another 4 children came from this marriage.

I am researching my family history and although i am aware of a lot of info there are still holes that I would like to fill. Thank you for the burial details of John Taylor, I did not know these.

Frederick
frederick

hello again Lyndon 1955

Francis taylor ( my uncle ) did live in alma st., so it looks like you have found the right man. my searches so far have not produced many results. to have his death date and burial place is real progress, thank you.

Francis served in ww1 and so far I have drawn a blank with any information - the only thing I know is that he survived, family story is that he received either the military medal or the military cross and had a military funeral. I have searched on Ancestry, but no luck, i do not know what unit he was in or his service no. I would love to know more of his military years, so all information is helpfull.

Thank you
Frederick
frederick

hello dragon girl

thanks for your reply. I have seen this census and it is the correct
family, the marriage details are also correct, like yourself  the military side is a mystery Francis was born in 1899 not sure about him being a boy soldier, the ww1 war records that are online may not be complete
there must be some information out there somewhere.

I really appreciate your help and any information  may help to fill in holes in my family history.
Francis was my uncle although I lived in oxford street during the ww2
years, I was very young and sadly  have no memory of him.

Thaks again
Frederick
dragongirl

Francis Taylor abertillery

Hi Frederick.
Searched all the Army records for 1914/18 nothing fits But on the Second World War sheets there a Francis Taylor living in Hereford
born in Monmouthshire  died 1942. To much of a co incidence do you think-could he have been stationed at Hereford?
I`ll find the printout s tomorrow# they should have his war records- could be he was stationed in Hereford but Alma Street was his Mother`s or his wife`s home He was sill fairly young and the war was still on maybe we can sort it Fingers crossed!!!!!
frederick

Hi Dragon girl

Francis is proving to be very hard to track, like you i have searched ww1 records and could not find him.

I do not know if the Francis you have found in ww2 is the same man
but I think it  unlikely, but then again anything is possible.

The family memories are, that Francis was attending the poppy day ceremony in London, caught a chill became ill and died some time after, cannot confirm story but sounds plausible.

I also believe he had a daughter called Dorothy but cannot confirm this.

He is quite a challenge but I dont want to give up on him, thanks for helping.

frederick
frederick

1911 census Taylor family

1911 Census , Taylor family, Abertillery.


                In 1911 the family were living at 9 Oxford St. Abertillery South Wales -see below.



Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age  Birth
Year Occupation  Where Born Original
census
image
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  176  TAYLOR, Ellen Head Widow  F 38  1873  Abertillery Mon  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Johnn Son  M 18  1893 Baker  Tredegar  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Elizabeth Daughter  F 15  1896  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Frank Son  M 12  1899  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Harry Son  M 9  1902  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Ellen Daughter  F 4  1907  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  TAYLOR, Albert Son  M 0  1911  Abertillery  VIEW  
  176  LONG, Fred Boarder Married  M 39  1872 Stoker Colliery  Bath  VIEW  
  176  KENNY, Jerry Boarder Single  M 38  1873 Gas Stoker  Bath  VIEW
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 1911 the Taylors were living at 9 Oxford St. at that time Mary Ellens husband John Taylor ( my Grandfather ),
was deceased, he died at the end of 1907.
Mary had 6 children plus 2 boarders livig with her,  Ellen Taylor born 1906 aged 4yrs, being one of them ( in the census, year of birth is given as 1907, but her actual birth year was 1906 ).
John Taylor was deaf and dumb, I remember him covered in flour and calling him Uncle jack.
Francis was living here in 1911 given name Frank.
dragongirl

Francis Taylor Abertillery

Hi Frederick,
SUCCESS at last. He was awarded the DISTINGUISHED SERVICE MEDAL  1914-1920.
  it reads, 33262 Private Francis Taylor, 2nd Batt South Wales Borderers of ABERTILLERY .
At ZILBEKE, on 28th September 1918. for most conspicious Gallantry
and determination he assisted in    the Capture of an enemy Pillbox
which was offering stubborn resistance, Working around to the back he
charged two of the enemy killing one, he himself was baynoted by the other one, but he killed him and the rest surrendered.
Again on 29th Sept he bought in his severley wounded Platoon Sergeant,under heavy machine gun fire, He did splendidly !!!!!

Very well done that man !!!!what a citation for a twenty year old ,so pleased I found him Do you have his medal in the Family?
Think I deserve a cup of coffee now !
David

Well done dragongirl. Fantastic.
frederick

Francis Taylor Hero

Hi  dragongirl

I'm absolutely gobsmacked, you have done a marvellous job and I cant thank you enough, you deserve a medal yourself.

This is fantastic news and a really worthwhile result, at the moment all i want to do is keep reading your post, once it has all sunk in, I'm going to spread the word.

I dont know if anyone in the family has the medal.

Brilliant job, thank you, enjoy your cofee

Frederick
dragongirl

FRANCIS TAYLOR HERO

Hi Frederick.thought you would be chuffed. forgot to add to last post that ZILLBEKE is in France a few miles south of YPRES so you`ll know the area. I must admit when I first read it I thought it was South Africa
----my poor Geography Master must be spinning in his Grave !!!!

Found 4 births for Mercy /Taylor in Bedwelty all girls if Frances with an "E" is female!!
Ruby M Taylor mother Mercy  Bedwelty    June 1920
Mary E       "       "             "           "           Sept 1920  one of these is either wrongly transcribed or it was a miracle birth.!!!!
Marian  Taylor   mother  Mercy       "       June  1922
Frances D Taylor     "          "             "     March 1926
would this be Dorothy do you think ?
No more births ---checked up to 1930.
frederick

hi
chuffed I am, went to Ypres a few years ago, if you haven't been would recommend it, a very atmospheric and emotional area.

not sure about Dorothy I cant remember where I got this from, I would have thought marian a more likely candidate, I'l have to check
my file.

thanks again

Frederick
pent boy

dedication

Full marks dragongirl, the old braincells are still working fine  Laughing
dragongirl

FRANCIS TAYLOR ABERTILLERY HERO

Hi Frederick
         Found  The medal roll for Francis, Just says FrancisTaylor, No.
33262,
  Medal                  Roll                 Page
Victory  Medal   J/1/ 101 Bi3         2723
British    Medal       ""        "              "
                                 No Dates

Can`t find his service Records  or Pension Records Would any family
member know if he served  after 1920  or  if he lived anywhere  away from Abertillery!!!

Regards
dragongirl

Francis Taylor

thanks Pentboy

I will be like Einstein soon !!!!  Seriously ,all info is there if you can search the right records so more staying power than Brain power

regard Eileen
frederick

Francis Taylor

Hi  dragon girl

Will try, but most family who might remember have passed on.

If there is anyone out there who has any information on Francis Taylor your help would be appreciated.

Thank you
Frederick
frederick

Francis Taylor

I suppose I should put this in a separate post, but several family members and relations were buried in  Blaenau Gwent Baptist Chapel
cemetary, including John Taylor father of Francis.
The cemetary is at the back of oxford street. This pic was taken 3-4 years ago and bears no resemblance to how I remember it, as children my brothers and myself used to avoid sunday school by playing around the graveyard.
Anybody know what happened here, it looks like there are graves missing?

Frederick
dragongirl

francis taylor

hi Frederick
   All the graves  at Blaeneau gwent  Cemetry have been Cleared,
The grave stones were placed around the outer Walls of the Churchyard the records are held at the new Tredegar Registery Office
which is fine if you have Plot or Grave Number.
I was last there last March to a funeral. The Church has been rebuilt--
very light and spacious not  a bit like the old buiding, houses have been built on some   of the land. My sister who died at 10days old is
/was buried at the bottom of the Cemetry near Alma Street but this part was always very wet due I believe to the run off of rainwater
and underground spring or Springs.
You see a big difference if you went there now.
Still not found Francis`s records except  his medal roll, did you already have this?
He should have Service Records even if he didn`t claim/merit a Pension---given for War injuries or age related. Will keep hunting!!
frederick

Thanks Dragongirl

sad really , things don't always change for the better.

No luck on Francis yet, I really have little information on him, will keep trying though.

Frederick
frederick

Francis Taylor confusion

Confused !!!

I have been speaking to my older brother about "Francis Taylor" and the information found on him so far.

Mysef, two brothers and sister were evacuated and living with relations in Oxford st.during the second world war,and
My brother remembers some of the funeral of "Francis".

He tells me that it was a full military funeral and that only men were allowed to attend.

When I told him that a  Francis Taylor from  95 Alma Street was  buried in St Paul’s Cwmtillery 3rd December 1942

aged 43 and this looked like it was our man, he said - "as I remembered it, the cemetary was down the valley either

near to or just past six bells".

As St. Pauls is in the opposite direction I must face the possibility that there is another francis Taylor, but a

man having very similar records  and living in the same road seems to be stretching it a bit.

It could be that my brothers memory has let him down, he could not remember the church, but was as sure as he could

be of the direction.

I would have thought that this was an important funeral and that there is a record of it somewhere. i have tried to

find any newspaper reports without any luck so far.It has also proved difficult to find his death in free bmd, the

only one anywhere near it died in the Bristol area.

I have enclosed this picture taken approx 1940 of myself and my brothers in oxford st, in the faint hope that it may

jog someones memory.





From l- r
Frank, myself, Gordon

dragongirl

Francis Taylor

Hi Frederick
    There was another Francis Taylor born in Abertillery serving in the Army he was living in Hereford and his actual place of death was  the
Somme in I think 1915. So it wouldn`t be him.
  Councillor Rock started  a collection for wargraves in St Pauls
Church yard as they thought Pte Bernard Jenkins had no headstone
the threads on this are on Discussion Forum under Headstone I think.about last Oct/Nov. i think they found a grave without a headstone
The cemeteries "past Sixbells "" are Brynithel Cemetery on Cemetry Road the other is on the other side of the Valley at Christchurch
Aberbeeg Brynithel is a Council Maintained graveyard and Christchurch
is Church managed actually the same Minister as St Paul`s Cwmtillery
 Have you/family got his death certificate- though that will not tell you burial place.
    Hope this helps !!
lyndon1955

The only burial grounds south of Oxford Street/Alma St  would be Aberbeeg (unlikely I would think)  and Abertillery New Cemetery Brynithel.
The only records as far as I know are with Blaenau Gwent County Borough Council who will do a search for you but will charge for the service see link for details

http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/advice/403.asp

There is no Church at Brynithel Cemetery so your brother might be right  as he could not remember the church.
frederick

Francis taylor, death and burial details

Thank you to Lyndon and Dragon girl for your input, it seems the information originally supplied by Lyndon
was correct except for the house no. which could have been a clerical error.
 
I have been speaking to another relation who lives in wales and can confirm the burial
of "Francis". My relation has a memorial card of the funeral and read the details out to me over the
telephone.

Francis taylor of 25 Alma st.died on Nov. 27th. 1942, aged 43 years and was buried at St. Pauls
church, Cwmtillery.The details were also recorded in a news paper, but i have not been able to find
it yet.

It seems my brother was wrong, it was a long time ago and we think he got it mixed up with a
different funeral.


I can also confirm that Francis had a daughter called Dorothy from his marrige to Doris Taylor ( born Mercy ).
I was already aware of Dorothy but cannot remember my source, evidently Dorothy went on to marry, but
there are no further details at the moment.

The pieces are gradually coming together and I am surprised they have been so hard to find in official records
if any more details come to light i will post them here. It is good to be able to confirm his last resting place.

Frederick
dragongirl

Francis Taylor abertillery

Hi Frederick.
   On this site there is a list of marriages, bride and groom, Births,
Paternity cases and Deaths  I`ve checked these but 1938 seem`s to be the latest date ,if you contact Admin or  Carol Ellis on line maybe they could tell you where the latest records and kept . my daughter`s sister in law is the Registrar for Gwent but the Tredegar Office`has  moved to Bedwelty House. Some Records have been transferred from the Cwmbran Office to the New Family Records Office at the Old
Ebbw Vale Steelworks site so  can`t tell you definately which one.
cowpat

FRANCIS TAYLOR

THERE USED TO BE A CHAPEL AT BRYNITHEL CEMETERY.
Carolyn

They have some records of the S.W. Gazette at Tredegar Library I would phone to check first though as I am not sure of the dates uo to 1950 or after 1950. All records of S.W.Gazette and South Wales Argus on microfilm are held at Newport library.
Carolyn

Carolyn wrote:
They have some records of the S.W. Gazette at Tredegar Library I would phone to check first though as I am not sure of the dates uo to 1950 or after 1950. All records of S.W.Gazette and South Wales Argus on microfilm are held at Newport library.
 I was told that none are being held at the Works when I asked on my last visit a few weeks ago
cowpat

Francis Taylor

There are copys of the S/WGazette in the peoples museum in Abertillery, i have looked for a war grave for FRANCIS Taylor in the local grave yards and cannot find one
frederick

Francis taylor, death and burial details

I am very grateful for everyones help, thank you.

At the moment I am searching from the comfort of my armchair in Essex - ahh the wonders of the internet.
A visit to Abertilery is something i will have to consider, perhaps summer.

 I would like to confirm that " Francis " died on 27 th. 1942 and he was buried at St. pauls, Cwmtillery.

It would seem that the location of the actual grave may not be as straightforward, as some graves are in poor condition, look on Discussion Forum under Headstone. missing headstones etc.

At another burial ground at Blaeneau gwent Cemetry all the graves have been Cleared and  it seems finding and obtaining access to the person you are trying to locate could be easier ( see earlier thread from  dragon girl ), sad really, far from ideal.

Frederick
dragongirl

francis taylor

Hi Frederick
from the comfort of your armchair in Essex(Whereabouts?) in ESSEX ---Not your armchair!!!!
Can you tell me when Francis left the Army AND  did he fight in WorldWar II ?
He obviously married and bought up a family, are any of this family
alive ?  What we need is a family member or a friend who knew him well . The thing is with a Military Funeral it doesn`t  make it a" War Grave"
but I know they identified the ones they were looking for in St Pauls
and found another soldier.besides think he was from Tillery St,
My Mother-in-law is buried in St Pauls also my husbands Grandparents
Where  are Francis Parents buried ? I remember someone saying
there was a grave purchased  was that at St Pauls or Blaenau Gwent ?
I`m searching 1915 -1920 War Service Records at the moment.
Plenty of Francis and Frank¬s  but not the person I want ----did find another copy of his medal roll a bit more legible than the first but same information
British Medal and the Victory Medal.
  take Care
Regards
frederick

Francis Taylor

Hi dragon girl

I live in the  southend-on-sea area.

No news on when Francis left the army, I was rather hoping thisinfo would have come from his service records.
He was married to Doris Taylor (born mercy) the early part of 1920, they had at least one child called Dorothy, I am reliably informed that Dorothy married but no further information.

I am in touch with my cousin who still lives in wales, he is elderly, in good health but has recently become blind, he remembers Francis  and it was he that supplied me with confimation of Francis  burial place and the existance of Dorothy.I am expecting more information from my cousin and his wife, but want to take this slowly. I have asked about the military side but he doesn't seem to know more, if anything comes to light i will post.

The father of Francis - John Taylor- born 1868, married 1893, died 1907, Buried Blaenau Gwent Methodist Chapel(coal miner)

The mother of Francis - Mary E. Taylor (born crump) - born 1873, married 1893, died 1943 (probably buried same as above)

Thanks

Frederick
dragongirl

Francis Taylor abertillery

Hi Frederick
 I`ve hunted all death records 2yrs before and after 1942
and can`t find a death certificate for Francis , only the one Oct-Nov- Dec 1942  that you found in Bristol he was 43yrs which was the correct  death age
   . Get`s curioser and curioser !!!
Coincidently my Maternal Grandmother was a Crump,
I`ve dozens of them in my Tree,but she was an Elizabeth as was her Mother- they lived in Leominster!!!
   Think I`ll  put Francis away for tonight maybe he`ll come out of hiding tomorrow,!!!!
    Have you looked on the "Cwmtillery on Line site"? there`s a lot of info about the Church and a  photo of the  Marble Plaque to the memories of  2nd World War  Soldiers etc. Worth a look and very nice Albums of local photo`s too.
Regards
frederick

Francis Taylor - update

An update on Francis.


My cousin has supplied me with a little more info on Francis, he left the military after ww1 but was a sgt. in the home guard in 1940. He did not move away from Abertillery and died in Alma st. 1942. It is strange that there doesn't seem to be any record of his death, perhaps something will turn up eventually.

I was also sent this brilliant photo.

The photo is of My uncle George Hale in navy uniform and my uncle Francis in army uniform, this was taken in 1915 when they both joined up, they were 16-17 years old. George Hale (ex miner), from Oxford st. also survived the war.The ship on his hat is HMS Erin. Looking at the photo and how young they looked, who knows what horrors they both must have witnessed over the next few years.

Regards
Frederick

Click to see full size image
Dave

Great photo Fredrick,  good to see HMS Erin survived until 1923
AnnieDen

Re: Francis Taylor

Hi both

I can't believe it but this is also my family - the Dorothy is Frances Dorothy Taylor who was my nan - Dorothy married another Taylor - William John Taylor who was a chief electrician in the mine.  I can remember visiting my grandmother in Alma Street.  I have just started on my family tree and have copies of birth, death and marriage certificates (not all of them) would love to get in contact with you and share information.

Hope to hear from you soon

Ann-Marie

Hi dragon girl

I live in the  southend-on-sea area.

No news on when Francis left the army, I was rather hoping thisinfo would have come from his service records.
He was married to Doris Taylor (born mercy) the early part of 1920, they had at least one child called Dorothy, I am reliably informed that Dorothy married but no further information.

I am in touch with my cousin who still lives in wales, he is elderly, in good health but has recently become blind, he remembers Francis  and it was he that supplied me with confimation of Francis  burial place and the existance of Dorothy.I am expecting more information from my cousin and his wife, but want to take this slowly. I have asked about the military side but he doesn't seem to know more, if anything comes to light i will post.

The father of Francis - John Taylor- born 1868, married 1893, died 1907, Buried Blaenau Gwent Methodist Chapel(coal miner)

The mother of Francis - Mary E. Taylor (born crump) - born 1873, married 1893, died 1943 (probably buried same as above)

Thanks

Frederick[/quote]
AnnieDen

Re: Francis Taylor abertillery

I have this death certificate


dragongirl wrote:
Hi Frederick
 I`ve hunted all death records 2yrs before and after 1942
and can`t find a death certificate for Francis , only the one Oct-Nov- Dec 1942  that you found in Bristol he was 43yrs which was the correct  death age
   . Get`s curioser and curioser !!!
Coincidently my Maternal Grandmother was a Crump,
I`ve dozens of them in my Tree,but she was an Elizabeth as was her Mother- they lived in Leominster!!!
   Think I`ll  put Francis away for tonight maybe he`ll come out of hiding tomorrow,!!!!
    Have you looked on the "Cwmtillery on Line site"? there`s a lot of info about the Church and a  photo of the  Marble Plaque to the memories of  2nd World War  Soldiers etc. Worth a look and very nice Albums of local photo`s too.
Regards
frederick

Francis Taylor Family

Hi AnnieDen

sorry I have not answered before, a melted laptop, a long holiday
are my excuse.
I have sent you an email and will be pleased to hear from you soon.

Frederick
frederick

Taylor - Mercy family

Hi
I have just been digging around :   Taylor - Mercy family
this is what I found.
Francis Taylor married Doris Mercy  1920
It seems they had at least 3 daughters :      Ruby M. Taylor  born   1920
                                    Marian Taylor   born   1922
                              Frances Dorothy Taylor  born   1926

Frances D. Taylor married   -  John W. Taylor  -  1944  :  John was born in 1921

                         Johns  father  was also called John Taylor born circa 1895
                         Johns  mother  was possibly  Bessie Hawkins
                         They married 1916.

There is a:   Ruby M. Taylor  married to  Trevor Smart  1952  Bedwelty  area
Also :      Marian Taylor  married to  Reginald D. Baynham  1941 also Bedwelty.

You may already know  this info, if not hope it helps.

Frederick
Ray Dix

I used to live next door to Trevor Smart, when he married Ruby Taylor she lived there too.
frederick

Hi Ray

I am 99% sure that Ruby M Taylor is a daughter of Francis taylor & Doris Mercy.

You say you lived next door, where would that be?
Were there any children, brothers or sisters, that you knew of ?
I would be grateful for anything you can tell me.

Thanks
Frederick
Ray Dix

Hello Frederick, I will send you an e-mail with what details I know.
normaniver

HI FREDRICK YOU MENTION RUBY SMART MAIDEN NAME TAYLOR RUBY IS MY COUSIN HER FARTHERS NAME WAS JOESEPH TAYLOR BORN IN RADSTOCK SOMERSET I HOPE THIS IS OF SOME HELP TO YOU
                   REGARDS NORMAN TAYLOR
frederick

Taylor - Mercy family research

Hi Norman

Ooops something wrong here, for Ruby to fit in with the Taylor - Mercy family being researched her father would have to have been  Francis Taylor.

She would also have to have been a sister of: Francis Dorothy Taylor.

My apologies if I have this wrong, it also throws into question : Marian Taylor born1922.?

More accurate research needed.

I think I have made certain assumptions, not wise especially with a popular name like Taylor.

Thanks
Frederick
frederick

Taylor - Mercy family research

Hi

Help needed.

I have just had a quick look at the free bmd site and there is a :  Ruby M. Taylor born in 1920 with mothers name - Mercy. !!

I am confused, anyone out there able to throw some light ?

Frederick
dragongirl

Births

Hi Frederick
  I gave you this information a while ago.
i did find 4 births with  Registered SURNAME -- TAYLOR  and mother MERCY !!!
the only comment i made was Ruby M  Taylor -mother Mercy born
June 1920  could not have been the sister of MARY E Taylor Mother Mercy- born Sept 1920 a physical impossibility
The only other two births were Marian TAYLOR mother MERCY  June 1922 and the last one in 1926 was Frances D Taylor mother Mercy  ,wasn`t sure if this baby was male or female but would have thought a son would have been FRANCIS.
 ARE/WERE there Two Mercy Taylors  ?in the area a bit of a  real coincidence if this is so. Of course it could be the wrong birthdate
transcibed for Mary E Taylor, Unfortunately I destroyed all my notes
as I thought you had everything you needed

Dragongirl
LadyChelsea

Francis Taylor

I saw the post regarding the 1911 census

The boarder Fred Long was my great-grandfather.  I found out this information from Fred Clark.  What I didn't know was that in 1911 it was noted he was married and was born in Bath.

I don't have any information on him and I don't know where to start.

What I do know is that he married Ellen Taylor in 1919 and there were several children (3 boys, 1 girl I believe).  My grandfather Francis Walter (known as Walter) was born in January 1917 and so I think that him and any older siblings were probably from Fred's previous marriage and not his marriage to Ellen.  I don't have a copy of Walter's birth certificate and as I don't know where he was born it would be difficult to get a copy.

Any help in getting to the bottom of this would be appreciated.

Thanks
frederick

The Long family

Mary Ellen Taylor was my maternal grandmother, her first husband was John Taylor ( my grandfather ) who died in 1907, before his death he fathered 5 children, one of which was my mother.
Mary Ellen remarried to Frederick J. Long in 1919,  it would seem that 4 children came from this union.
Albert T Long born 1911  -  Myrtle I T Long born 1912  -  Frederick E Long born 1915  -  Francis W Long born 1917
In the birth records all the Long children had Mary Ellen listed as mother.
I have a family tree on My Heritage site if you wish to view it, you would have to pm me your email address and I will then invite you to join.
I have photos of all  except John Taylor & Myrtle,  would you care to see them ?, if I can help further let me know.
frederick

Aug.4th is the 100th. anniversary of the start of WW1, so I think it appropriate to pay tribute to my relations who served in this conflict. Three of my uncles served, two survived, one lost his life at the battle of the somme.
In the photo looking from left to right :

In naval uniform is my uncle George Hale,, this was taken in 1915 when he joined up, he was 16-17 years old. George Hale (ex miner)  survived the war.The ship on his hat is HMS Erin. Looking at the photo, he was so very young to be going to war.

The man standing in the middle is my uncle  15811 SIDNEY ERNEST SMITH, he was a Private in the South Wales Borderers 2nd Bn.and was sadly killed at the Somme in France in 1916 ,aged 27 years. Sidney died  before I was born and is commemorated at the Thiepval Memorial in France. Sidney was added to to the photo of my other two uncles by photoshop

The young man on the right ( sitting ) is  my uncle 33262  Private Francis Taylor, 2nd Batt South Wales Borderers 1899 - 1942. - Francis who also survived WW1.
If you have been following this post you will know that Francis was awarded the DISTINGUISHED SERVICE MEDAL 1914-1920. it reads,
Private Francis Taylor, 2nd Batt South Wales Borderers of ABERTILLERY .
At ZILBEKE, on 28th September 1918. for most   Gallantry and determination he assisted in the Capture of an enemy Pillbox
which was offering stubborn resistance, Working around to the back he charged two of the enemy killing one, he himself was bayoneted by the other one, but he killed him and the rest surrendered. Again on 29th Sept he brought in his severely wounded Platoon Sergeant,under heavy machine gun fire..

I have also been in touch with another site which is in the process of being formed called Blaenu Gwent Remembers, this site has been asking for help from anyone who had a family member living in Gwent area of wales who served in WW1, the above details  have been forwarded. This is an ongoing project and will contain lots of info including photos, family stories etc.  Please follow link - copy and paste into your browser.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Blaenau-Gwent-Remembers/213223095541364

The war  touched almost everyone’s life in some way or other. Please share.
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frederick

World War One: Who in your family or street died in the Great War? Use this tool to find out
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Great new search tool!  search for  people by name or street or town /city, all over the country not just wales. The results can give you lots of information including Rank , unit date of death and where buried also  names and addresses of  the parents.

Fascinating information. Check it out and be sure to share.

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This site has the potential to help many people to find out where and when their loved ones died and the location of theire final resting place.
stoob

Francis Taylor

SMITH, SIDNEY/SYDNEY ERNEST - Private 15811 - 2nd Battalion South Wales Borderers - died 22nd November 1916 - age 27 - husband of Elizabeth Ann Hale (formerly Smith) of 3 Oxford Street, Abertillery - commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France - memorial reference:- Pier and Face 4A also commemorated on the Abertillery Central Memorial, Somerset Street, Abertillery also commemorated on the St. Basil’s Church Gates Memorial, Old Caerphilly Road, Bassaleg, Newport also commemorated on the Rogerstone Memorial, Rogerstone Library, Tregwillym Road, Rogerstone
stoob

Francis Taylor

Numbers 3 & 9 Oxford  Street, 1929 Electoral Register.

frederick

Thank you for the above.
A lot of my relations lived between 1-9 oxford st. including myself  in the early 1940's I was being looked after by my uncle George Hale and my aunt Liz., George is the only uncle I have any memories of.
It would be helpful if you could confirm the house number for Francis in Alma St. I believe it to be no. 25 but it could have been 95. Thanks
stoob

Francis Taylor

Registry of Death for Frederick John Long and Mary Ellen Long.

stoob

Francis Taylor

Purchase of grave by Mary Ellen Taylor for her husband at Blaenau Gwent, December 1907.



Francis Taylor register of burial at St. Pauls, grave 2 / 691

stoob

Francis Taylor

Francis Taylor did live at 95 Alma Street between 1935 - 1938, along with Doris Taylor, Mary Ellen Mercy and Enid Lorraine Stickler.


Obviously he passed over in 1942 and when the books resurfaced in 1945 the same three ladies were living there.
The following year Enid Lorraine Stickler moved out and Arthur Hook moved in.
This is the register for 1947 and it looks like Doris Taylor married Arthur Hook.
frederick

Very interesting, I will have to do more digging for the family tree.
I'm extremely grateful to you for your efforts, thank you.
stoob

Francis Taylor

In case you come across it the local term for Oxford Street eons ago was Barry Dock.
stoob

Francis Taylor

Medal Card on Ancestry, I'm not a member but you can view medal cards.

frederick

Thanks for that, like yourself I am not a member. I have just tried to find out more and have located the info you provided but that seems to be all I can find out. Anything interesting that I tried to look at and i am asked for money, with so many F. Taylors that could prove expensive, not impressed with Ancestry but thank you for your interest.

Frederick
stoob

Francis Taylor

Snap regards the sites, the ones closer to home are worse. I've seen a copy of the local absent voters list but unfortunately only Llanhilleth and Cwmtillery. Those in authority would have you believe there's no such lists and they couldn't be less helpful.
Do you know the date Francis Taylor's citation appeared in the London Gazette ?
frederick

Sorry for delay in answering, have not been well. I did check the Gazette some time ago but was unable to find anything it's probably me being not used to it. I will try again when I feel more able to concentrate, if I find anything I will post. Thanks
stoob

Francis Taylor

Hi - hope your health is improving, - saw a Doris I Hale of 3 Oxford Street, Abertillery on the 1945 absent voters list.
frederick

Doris “ Irene “ Hale was my first cousin, as you can see from the photo she served during ww2, I have no knowledge of  her war time record, in 1945 she could well have been living in London or perhaps she was still in the forces. “ Irene “ as she was known married Frederick Galbraith in 1948 and they lived in London. I remember them both very well as they use to take me to Wales after the war to visit relations. The other photo is “Irene” with her half sister,
Lily May Smith both photos were taken outside 3 Oxford st.


stoob

Francis Taylor

Lovely pictures, let you know if anything further crops up.
frederick

post update

Some further info


With thanks to my daughter I am now the proud owner of an original cap badge of the South Wales Borderers. My uncle Francis Taylor served with this regiment during ww1. He would
have worn a cap badge the same as pictured.
Francis was awarded the  - Distinguished Service Medal 1914 -1920

 His award reads, 33262 Private Francis Taylor, 2nd Batt South Wales Borderers of ABERTILLERY .
At ZILBEKE, on 28th September 1918. for most conspicious Gallantry
and determination he assisted in    the Capture of an enemy Pillbox
which was offering stubborn resistance, Working around to the back he
charged two of the enemy killing one, he himself was bayoneted by the other one, but he killed him and the rest surrendered.
Again on 29th Sept he brought in his severly wounded Platoon Sergeant,under heavy machine gun fire, He did splendidly !!!!!

The cap badge of the South Wales Borderers was the Sphinx of Egypt surrounded by a wreath of immortelles with SWB overlayed at the base. Immortelles are flowers that retain their shape and colour when dead and are used in dried flower arrangements. Queen Victoria honoured the regiment by presenting them with a silver wreath of these flowers and it has been carried ever since at the top of the pike that holds the Queen's Colour.


This photo is of My uncle George Hale in navy uniform, this was taken in 1915 when he joined up, he was 16-17 years old. George Hale (ex miner), survived the war.The ship on his hat is HMS Erin.On 5 September 1914 HMS Erin joined the Grand Fleet at its principal war base at Scapa Flow in Orkney. She was briefly part of the fourth battle squadron, being transferred to the second battle squadron in October 1914. On 31 May 1916 she was present at the “ BATTLE OF JUTLAND “. I have recently been informed that George was on HMS Erin when this historic battle took place for which he received a medal.





stoob

Help - Francis Taylor b Abertillery - 1899

There's a lot of South Wales Borderer's memorabillia out there, I was  looking at a tie and tie bar on Militaryzone recently.
Looked at the 1918 and 1919 absent voters list and George Hale was not listed for Oxford Street, let you know if he appears elsewhere.
frederick

George Hale

Thank You


George Hales father was Moses hale, his mother was Martha Jones, they lived at 58 Portland st.
George also had a brother called Alfred John Hale.
George married Elizabeth  Ann Smith in 1919 so George would have been living in Portland St. in 1918, It would seem from your information that George also served on HMS  "Aurora" also on "Vivid as well" the records are not very easy to read.
It would seem that he had a very long and busy war and was deservedly rewarded with a medal for his service at the battle of Jutland.

Appreciate your help
frederick

Lest we Forget

On this remembrance day we will remember them.
stoob

Help - Francis Taylor B. 1899, Taylor Family

Hi Fred

Military on Ancestry is free until Wednesday, you may be able to pick some family information on there.
frederick

Hello again
Thanks I will check it out.
frederick

THE SOMME - Rest in Peace
My uncle SMITH, SIDNEY/SYDNEY ERNEST - Private 15811 - 2nd Battalion South Wales Borderers - died 22nd November 1916 - age 27 - husband of Elizabeth Ann Hale (formerly Smith) of Oxford Street, Abertillery - commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France - memorial reference:- Pier and Face 4A also commemorated on the Abertillery Central Memorial, Somerset Street, Abertillery also commemorated on the St. Basil’s Church Gates Memorial, Old Caerphilly Road, Bassaleg, Newport also commemorated on the Rogerstone Memorial, Rogerstone Library, Tregwillym Road, Rogerstone
Photo taken approx. 1912, Sidney with my aunt Liz.

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