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Ian Jones

How Green was my Valley.

The Ebbw Fach Valley went from green to grey and now it is back to green but at what cost ?
A Council that after they got back in would be open and transparent they would stand up for the people of Blaenau Gwent, I took that to mean all it's people not just those who voted for them.
We were promised a rail link to Abertillery, WHERE IS IT ?
They said they would fight for jobs, it seems quite the opposite is the case with council workers jobs being shed or under that threat.
The highest Council tax in Blaenau Gwent and the least amenities for our money,  surely we should get a discount not have it rise yet again.
While Ebbw Vale being classed as an enterprise zone get money shovelled it's way The Ebbw Fach Valley gets asset stripped to balance the scales.
Make no mistake it may be the Tories in London holding the purse strings but using that to destroy one valley whilst glorifying another is down to what we used to call the party of the people using people's suffering for political gain.
Start treating all of Blaenau Gwent fairly you should be ashamed to call yourselves Socialists.
martyn142

It's the Independents' fault Ian.
Eddie legge

Least we forget

Martyn and Ian When Independants were governing Blaenau Gwent was it not the Independant councillor Dave Rocke when trying to find excuses for his groups failings who said, What would be a †familys priorities if their household income wouldn't support the rent, food heating lighting †and car I wonder if that particular councillor and his group were re elected would we have had the same lecture on good house keeping today
And has for a Rail Link from Abertillery Dave Rockes comments on the Ebbw Vale train taking shopers spending money to Cardiff he didnt think when considering Abertillery is now struggling for shopers a train station in Abertillery would not be a good thing
By the way what has happend to Rocke and why hasnt Martyn spoken to him for a year If and when you reply Ian remind me about the 84-85 miners strike and those who blamed Arther Scargill for it
kdwent

A question for team Legge. How many Independent councillors were in office at the same time as ex Cllr Rocke?    

I am almost certain that there was more than one,  however I stand to be corrected by that fount of all knowledge, political and historical, Team Legge.

The reason that I ask is that Team Legge can only ever quote one Independent councillor, and its always the same quote.

Change the record team Legge  your wearing the old one out!
Ian Jones

martyn142 wrote:
It's the Independents' fault Ian.


Not so sure about that Martyn, our MP has been on Twitter saying of the petition for a rail link for Abertillery.
"happy to support, but need redoubling first for Abertillery later. Mindful of 40% Tory cut for WG's capital investment"

As far as I recall there wasn't any talk of a 40% cut in the WG's capital investment  in 2008 when the rail link would be the next thing our Leader would be pressing for.

Also it's strange that a rail link was important for the economy of E/Vale but not for Abertillery it seems.
It surely can't be about taking trade out of E/Vale as there would be no point them having a rail link and not one but two stations.
And as our Mp's own survey figure's prove the rail link is predominantly for the use of people getting to work or education (as follows)
What is the main purpose of your journey today?
Answer: commuting to or from work or education 53.6%

Who are we to argue with these figures they are from our MP's own survey afterall.
I'm pretty sure the figure's for commuting to work and education would be even higher from this Valley as it is being asset stripped and we have virtually nothing left.
The Psalm for Labour supporter's
"I will lift up mine eye's to the hills, although they are tightly shut"
Eddie legge

Silent Rocke

Kdwent why mention Rocke so often When Independants won a political Lottery to govern Blaenau Gwent he was the one with the gift of the gab and relied on to smother any failings his group and leader had made
And when his leader was fighting to survive a no confidence vote Rocke the loyal Said anyone of us takeing advantage over this shouldent rely on their communities vote Didnt matter when he realised his leader was diging himself deeper and deeper in the mire he went public asking him to resign
What do you know about a vendetta Kdwent do you really know what it is and have you ever been involved
Has for Ian Jones the Forum's cheif P  taker  not a word about the miners strike And has for Martyn Forums chief political judge and  prosecutor who says he hasnt spoken to the Rocke for the past year
dosnt like answering all he has been asked
Ian Jones

Spot on there K.D.Went  Very Happy
Eddie legge

Arther and Maggie

What about the miners strike asks Eddie no Reply from a socialist miner
Surly that man who today preaches against his local led labour council hasnt forgoten most especilly during that year long dispute  The killing of a local Taxi driver when a concrete bock was droped on his car when he was takeing a miner to his place of work
Arther never told a lie Strike or no strike Maggie would have still closed more than 70 pits,Let me give our silent one a clue,Was he the one who had to walk 5 miles to his job of work and when there suffered in some of the poorest dangerous unhealty conditions imaginable and would have us believe that because of the strike he had to work 80 hours or more in those terrible conditions in order to get back on his feet
Come off it Jonesy
kdwent

See team Legge is on again suffering from delusions. † Am I mistaken Martyn or has Ian mentioned the miners strike and I missed it. †Of course it could be that their rose tinted glasses mean that they see things that don't exist
for any others.
Ian Jones

More Councillors like Rocke we need Kelvin !

I always found him to be open and transparent he may not have wanted a rail link but at least he was honest enough to say so.

He didn't promise something he couldn't or wouldn't deliver that is the kind of person you want on the Council, not one's who for decade's evade taking unpopular decisions and landing us in the mess we are in today simply to win the popularity vote.
Eddie legge

Vendetta

Is Eddie suffering from delusions for goodness sake are you serious
Come off it Mr Flintstone who went crying to Admins about Eddie Legge having a vendetta against him and for your information Ian hasnt said a word about miners strike and if you still have contact with Rocke ask him for me why he hasnt replied to my posting about wanting his leader to resign
kdwent

You are right Ian ex councillor Rocke was very honest.  He still does his bit for the community too. I won't embarrass him by saying what he does but those who know him Will know what Im talking about.  Always willing to help people out with problems with their computer too.
Eddie legge

delusions

Tis Ian Jones who would have us believe David Rocke was honest and transparent who is suffering from delusions Example accusing a 77 year old pensioner who he has never met for upseting his wife All Eddie wanted to know was Ian Jones on two Forums Had you been a bit more transparent at the time things could well have turned out for the better And when your transparent friend was Chairman of the Environment Scrutiny Committee he failed to mention Blaenau Gwent was near the bottom  of the most local and national lists on environment issues
Ian Jones

kdwent wrote:
You are right Ian ex councillor Rocke was very honest. †He still does his bit for the community too. I won't embarrass him by saying what he does but those who know him Will know what Im talking about. †Always willing to help people out with problems with their computer too.


Rocke is the salt of the Earth, "Rocke salt" you could say  Smile
And probably the only Rock salt we will see this winter  Laughing

Did I mention I used to be a Coal miner Kelvin ?
martyn142

Re: Least we forget

Eddie legge wrote:
Martyn and Ian When Independants were governing Blaenau Gwent was it not the Independant councillor Dave Rocke when trying to find excuses for his groups failings who said, What would be a †familys priorities if their household income wouldn't support the rent, food heating lighting †and car I wonder if that particular councillor and his group were re elected would we have had the same lecture on good house keeping today
And has for a Rail Link from Abertillery Dave Rockes comments on the Ebbw Vale train taking shopers spending money to Cardiff he didnt think when considering Abertillery is now struggling for shopers a train station in Abertillery would not be a good thing
By the way what has happend to Rocke and why hasnt Martyn spoken to him for a year If and when you reply Ian remind me about the 84-85 miners strike and those who blamed Arther Scargill for it

Told you. The independents' fault  Laughing

Some more things the Independents were responsible for:

World War 2
The sinking of the Belgrano
The 1906 San Francisco earthquake
The smashing of a photo of Mrs Thatcher in Blaina Cons club ...oh hang on....
kdwent

No no Martyn that wasn't an Independent that was a person who makes his own mind up about things and doesn't just spout Labour rubbish till the cows come home Oh ......................... .  By the way did you know Ian Jones was a miner.
Ian Jones

kdwent wrote:
No no Martyn that wasn't an Independent that was a person who makes his own mind up about things and doesn't just spout Labour rubbish till the cows come home Oh ......................... . †By the way did you know Ian Jones was a miner.


I'm getting paranoid now, that's at least one... two..umm seven people know i'm a miner now.
I hope they don't find out i'm a miner on the other forum too  Rolling Eyes

1984 erwego erwego erwego .

If i had thought of it at the time I would have writ a buk.
martyn142

As a former miner Ian, can you tell me a. When you last talked to Arthur Scargill and b. Why you haven't spoken to him since then?
Ian Jones

martyn142 wrote:
As a former miner Ian, can you tell me a. When you last talked to Arthur Scargill and b. Why you haven't spoken to him since then?


Martyn whomever said they saw me speaking to Arthur Scargill must be a Tory spy.
I say Tory spy because in all my cold mornings on picket lines I never once saw any Labour Party officials.
And the last I heard Arthur was living happily under an alias somewhere in Blaina.

Flashback to 2012 "LOCAL" elections:
Voters should use next monthís local elections to ďsend a message to David Cameron and Nick CleggĒ, Carwyn Jones will say today as Labour holds the set-piece event of its campaign.

Surely the whole point of Local elections is to focus on local issue's and to put our own house in order.

Why should they be used by the Labour Party to further their cause in London?

Isn't it time the "Welsh Government" focus on governing Wales?
martyn142

[quote="Ian Jones:20746"]
martyn142 wrote:
Flashback to 2012 "LOCAL" elections:
Voters should use next monthís local elections to ďsend a message to David Cameron and Nick CleggĒ, Carwyn Jones will say today as Labour holds the set-piece event of its campaign.

Surely the whole point of Local elections is to focus on local issue's and to put our own house in order.

Why should they be used by the Labour Party to further their cause in London?

Isn't it time the "Welsh Government" focus on governing Wales?

Well I know what my view is. It's that the top priority in all things for the Labour Party is.... the Labour Party. The party was established to fight for working people, because they had no one else to do it for them. Nowadays it's there to promote itself and get itself into power. What it actually does when it gets there is of far less importance.

I'm not suggesting for a moment the Tories or Lib-Dems are any different by the way. But then we never expected anything more from those parties did we? We did from Labour though. What mugs we were.  Evil or Very Mad
Ian Jones

Martyn I never wanted to go down the mine I was going to be a bricklayer.
But my Dad said no son you're not going to be a bricklayer, you are going to get a proper job.
The rest is history.
Eddie legge

Transparency what laugh

Ian Jones Eddie has read your letter addressed to Hedley McCarthy what a load of bullís testicles
You mention Openness and Transparency When asked if the two Ian Jones were one and the same denials and threats, And your concern for the elderly vulnerable members in society didnít prevent you abusing and threatening a seventy seven year old pensioner Practice what you preach Ian Jones and when asked about the year long miners strike donít rely on Kdwent and Martyn to turn an innocent request into a childish laughing matter
I shall end by saying even though Rocke and I are not the best of friends been crossing swords for a good while
He would not have had Eddie Legge banned from local Forums the same cannot be said for you Ian Jones Martyn Thomas and Kdwent
Ian Jones

Re: Transparency what laugh

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian Jones Eddie has read your letter addressed to Hedley McCarthy what a load of bullís testicles
You mention Openness and Transparency When asked if the two Ian Jones were one and the same denials and threats, And your concern for the elderly vulnerable members in society didnít prevent you abusing and threatening a seventy seven year old pensioner Practice what you preach Ian Jones and when asked about the year long miners strike donít rely on Kdwent and Martyn to turn an innocent request into a childish laughing matter
I shall end by saying even though Rocke and I are not the best of friends been crossing swords for a good while
He would not have had Eddie Legge banned from local Forums the same cannot be said for you Ian Jones Martyn Thomas and Kdwent


Would someone be calling me a liar Hmm ?

Tell me then Mr Legge when did you first know I was the same Ian Jones as the one on Speakeasy ?
Is that question to difficult for you to give an honest answer ?
kdwent

I banned you from the Speakeasy forum Eddie not anyone else just me.  I did it because you persistently failed to follow the two simple rules that you were asked to observe.  You May be pleased to know that the forum is going from strength to strength and growing in membership daily.
Ian Jones

You twist words very well mr Legge but you still can't answer a simple question because you have been playing your silly game so long you have become a stranger to the truth.
I have never threatened you but you have used threatening words to others. I never said you lacked courage or called you a coward, those are all your own concoctions. Now Mr Legge if you are this fine upstanding citizen tell me when you first knew I was the same person on 2 different forums those being Abertillery online forum and the speakeasy on facebook, lets see who stays silent now shall we and let's see who was telling the truth all along .
pimlico

LABOUR

REMIND YOUSELVES, IN THE 70,S LABOUR BANCRUPTED UK PLC,IN THE 90,S LABOUR BANCRUPTED UK PLC,LABOUR CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH FINANCES, ALSO LABOUR WERE IN POWER FOR 11 YEARS WHAT DID THEY DO TO REGENERATE JOBS IN THE VALLEY,S

THE ANSWER NOWT....
eddie jones

and the Tories have?
eddie jones

and the Tories have?
stoob

How green was my valley

Welcome Pimlico, notice you forgot to mention Gordon Brown getting shot of 60% of the countries gold reserves.
martyn142

Or him raiding the pension funds, thus costing Britain's pension savers around £100bn (equivalent to the entire annual economic output of Ireland) according to the Institute of Actuaries, and finishing off final salary schemes.
martyn142

eddie jones wrote:
and the Tories have?

And the Labour-led WAG has?
Ian Jones

Re: Transparency what laugh

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian Jones Eddie has read your letter addressed to Hedley McCarthy what a load of bullís testicles
You mention Openness and Transparency When asked if the two Ian Jones were one and the same denials and threats, And your concern for the elderly vulnerable members in society didnít prevent you abusing and threatening a seventy seven year old pensioner Practice what you preach Ian Jones and when asked about the year long miners strike donít rely on Kdwent and Martyn to turn an innocent request into a childish laughing matter
I shall end by saying even though Rocke and I are not the best of friends been crossing swords for a good while
He would not have had Eddie Legge banned from local Forums the same cannot be said for you Ian Jones Martyn Thomas and Kdwent



If as you say you have read a letter from me addressed to Hedley McCarthy there can only be two explanation's you were shown the e-mail i addressed to Hedley.McCarthy@blaenau-gwent.gov.uk or Private letters sent to him by name, as all other correspondence was sent via the Gwent Gazette and was not addressed to Hedley McCarthy. Which version of "your truth" would you like to respond with ?
Rocke

eddie jones wrote:
and the Tories have?


Um..er.... in the 80's under the She-Devil Peter Walker embarked on the roadbuilding strategy that brougt er... lots of job here by enabling Labour-led councils to create industrial estates that could have easy access to the main transport infrastructure.

All the Labour-bled council has done since is allow them to become almost unuseable through an inept pothole repair policy.
eddie smith

All the Labour-bled council has done since is allow them to become almost unuseable through an inept pothole repair policy.[/quote]

As did the administration you were a member of in case you forget
Rocke

eddie smith wrote:
All the Labour-bled council has done since is allow them to become almost unuseable through an inept pothole repair policy.


As did the administration you were a member of in case you forget[/quote]

Yes - and that's as much why we're in a mess.

But YOUR mob had identified it as a problem, only to turn a convenient blind eye when retaking control of the lives of the citizens of BG.  

Same as Street Lighting switch-off, fortnightly refuse collections, education shortcomings etc. etc. etc.

Where on Earth do they get these flying prickets from?
Is there no-one within your lot that can give me even a smidge of competition Barry ?
pimlico

labour

may i remind you labour were in power for 11 years, they didnt bring any work to the valleys, kinnock said he woudnt go into the lords, where is he and his wife .[in the lords ], collecting their allowance,plus his europe pension. and his mp,s pension,his daughter is in the eu commission, his son is married to the PM of Denmark.

CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS.
BLAIR HAS 8 HOUSES, AND IS A MULTI MILLIONAIRE ,HIS WIFE WHO IS LEFTWING IS ALSO ROLLING IN IT, SOCIALISM IS A CON.
Rocke

Oh no, now another front's been opened up (hi, pimlico btw).

Labour were against the Right to Buy.
How many councillors still went ahead and exercised that right ???????????

The local Labour-led council tried to close Brynmawr School, resulting in it becoming a semi-independent Grant Maintained one.
How many Labour councillors had their children and Grandchildren educated there ???????????????

Local Labour didn't like street lighting being off from 01:30 until 05:30.
This Labour-bled council now has them off from 00:30 until 06:00.

This lot aren't merely Spumanti socialists, they're hypocrites as well.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Rocke you are nothing more than an overgrown bully for whom compromise is a foreign concept and you do a very poor job of hiding it
martyn142

What's bullying about that? He's just quoted some facts. Or do you dispute them?
Ian Jones

Some people bandy about the word bully far to freely.
There are people being genuinely bullied on the internet and in real life and using this word just because someone puts up a factual argument is way out of order.
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Rocke you are nothing more than an overgrown bully for whom compromise is a foreign concept and you do a very poor job of hiding it


So, they've rolled out the monkey.

Well YOU do an extremely poor job of concealing the fact that YOU AREN'T THE "THOMAS EDWARD LEGGE" WHO IS ON THE ELECTORAL REGISTER.

Oh - and in my book 'compromise' = 'I have in my hand this piece of paper from Herr Hitler'.

And we know where that got us.

Class warrior who could never have a single iota of the respect this country has for real warriors.

Next stop? - names start being named in regard of apparent irregularites in the the co-option of Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council councillors following the 2012 elections, when insufficient candidates came forward to fill all positions.

Your move monkey.

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