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cymrocymraeg123

Police and Crime commissioners

What do members think about the up and coming elections for the four well-off, middle aged white haired police and crime commissioners? Personally, I'm boycotting the election along with the many others across Wales and England. Police authorities did the job sufficiently in my view, paying an elected politician (regardless of what the government says, that's what they are) over 70,000 pounds a year to do a role nobody wants or cares about is beyond me. There are many reasons why people object to them; waste of money, added layer of bureaucracy , unnecessary and unfair interference with the good work our Police do, but most of all this shows a creeping interference of central government in policing, regardless of the independent candidates (the fact that political parties run candidates in the first place is enough). Whoever decided that the middle of November was a good time for an election doesn't understand a lot about politics, the last November election we had was a flop, and this one will be as well.
Ian Jones

http://www.choosemypcc.org.uk/about-pccs/

About police and crime commissioners

Police and crime commissioners (PCCs) will be elected by you to ensure the policing needs of your community are met as effectively as possible and to oversee how crime is tackled in your area.

41 new police and crime commissioners (PCCs) will be elected across England and Wales (excluding London) on 15th November. The PCC in your area will hold your police force to account for delivering the kind of policing you want to see. Their aim will be to cut crime and to ensure your police force is effective. They will bring a public voice to policing and they will do this is by:

   engaging with the public and victims of crime to help set police and crime plans;
   ensuring the police force budget is spent where it matters most; and
   appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the chief constable.

Work with others

PCCs will also work with your council and other organisations to promote and enable joined up working on community safety and criminal justice.

The PCC will not ‘run’ the police force. Chief constables will continue to be responsible for the day to day operations of the police, but they will be accountable to the public via the police and crime commissioner.

PCCs will ensure an effective policing contribution alongside other partners to national arrangements to protect the public from other cross-boundary threats.

Represent the entire community

PCCs will be required to swear an oath of impartiality when they are elected to office. The oath is designed so that PCCs can set out publicly their commitment to tackling their new role with integrity. It will reflect the commitment police officers make to serve every member of the public impartially and make clear that they are there to serve the people, not a political party or any one section of their electorate...........



I'm with you on this one cymrocymraeg123, this person who probably know's nothing of Policing can as it say's above hire and fire the Chief Constable.
And why are some promoted by a political party, will they be answering to those parties behind closed doors.
It is a complete waste of time and resources, and a job for the boy's.
I hate not using my vote but i think in this case i have no other option.
martyn142

I share both your cynicism. I will be voting, however, just to try and keep the post out of politicians' hands.

We've got a choice of four - one Tory, one Labour and two independents. The latter are both ex-policemen, so they should know how the force works, although I'm not sure if the relationship might be a bit "cosy".

The turnout will probably be so low that my vote could be decisive  Laughing
cymrocymraeg123

David Blunkett warned today that the turnout could be as low as 15%, how will these men, and they are all men bar one or two, have the mandate to run something as important as the police force? As well as the valid points above, this policy is one in a long line policies forced on Wales by a tory government. Welsh Labour or any other party if in charge of Police and Crime as a devolved field in Cardiff would never have come up with this idea.
I understand about not wanting to not use your vote, but I console myself in thinking that men and women fought and campaigned for us to elect politicians to rule on our behalf, not for some crack pot Tory pie in the sky idea.
M. ERIC CANTONA

all the money spent now and in the future should have been used to employ more police officers  policing is most effective with a visable presence which is a deterant  it is easier to stop the crime than to detect the criminal after the event  infomation from the public is vital to detection  silly ideas as this only serve to alienate them   gaol  bread and water  no  tv and video games  what a punishment
cymrocymraeg123

I agree with above, this crackpot idea forced on Wales is unpopular, some polling stations have had under 20 people in all day. What a waste of £70,000 p.a on these men, the police walking out streets is so important; it reduces crime as they act as a visual deterrent, they make people feel safer etc etc. How many police officers have they sacked as a result of the Tory cuts?

Devolve crime and policing, create an all-Wales police force, as has been mooted by chief constables and some senior lawyers before now, and let's get on with doing what's best for Welsh policing.
pent boy

Non election

12% turnout in Gwent, what a joke.
martyn142

cymrocymraeg123 wrote:
Welsh Labour or any other party if in charge of Police and Crime as a devolved field in Cardiff would never have come up with this idea.


I have to say, the Welsh politics that you describe I don't recognise. I'd say most Welsh politicians are probably even less competent and more self-serving than their English counterparts, and that's saying something.

You want Welsh independence. I get that. But this idea that Our Brave Boys in WAG are having bad policies forced upon them is stretching it a bit far. I've no idea why you think it would beyond Labour, Plaid or any other Welsh party to come up such a poor idea as Police Commissioners (which I agree they are).
cymrocymraeg123

Actually, I believe in a gradual movement towards federalism and independence when it comes. Wales as a peripheral economy and a country of 2.5 million people has never been served well by a government dominated by right-wing politics hundreds of miles away in London.

Anyway, the WAG or the Welsh Government havn't had anything forced upon them as they have no ability to legislate in this area. My point was that it has been forced on Welsh people and our police, 13% turnout in Blaenau Gwent; god knows what it was across wider Gwent in Torfaen and Monmouthshire which shows that these commissioners are unpopular. Yes, Labour are incompetent, but you wouldn't blame Westminster for a cock-up, you'd blame the political colour. Don't criticize the institution (which has done quite a bit for me personally and others like me) when in fact we should be blaming the party. When was the last time we had an assembly expenses scandal? When was the last time we had second-home scandal involving AMs? Not all politicians are self-serving, all parties have a few good ones.
martyn142

cymrocymraeg123 wrote:
Anyway, the WAG or the Welsh Government havn't had anything forced upon them as they have no ability to legislate in this area.

I appreciate that. I wasn't referring to this policy specifically, as you can see.

cymrocymraeg123 wrote:
13% turnout in Blaenau Gwent; god knows what it was across wider Gwent in Torfaen and Monmouthshire which shows that these commissioners are unpopular.

I disagree. I think it indicates that most people are hardly aware that they were being elected, and, if they were, didn't know what their powers would be.

cymrocymraeg123 wrote:
Yes, Labour are incompetent, but you wouldn't blame Westminster for a cock-up, you'd blame the political colour. Don't criticize the institution

I wasn't blaming the institution and I've no idea why you think I was. I said that Welsh politicans are generally a pretty talentless and mercenary bunch. You appear to believe they are a higher calibre than their Westminster counterparts ("Welsh Labour or any other party if in charge of Police and Crime as a devolved field in Cardiff would never have come up with this idea"). I disagree.
cymrocymraeg123

Ah I see, apologies there. We actually agreed then. Yes, AMs, in all, are a bunch of A Level standard pathetic, miserable looking bunch. Listening to half of them reading out questions of a piece of paper like a schoolchild is enough. MPs are better, as they have to be. What we need is calibre MPs also putting themselves up for election; for example, Paul Flynn, Elfen Llwyd, Adam Price etc would be great AMs and rise it's caliblre. Let's be honest, who would want to be an Am, were it to become a lot more powerful and influential in Wales then maybe but the ''assembly'' as it currently is doesn't really attract the great and the good.
dragongirl

police comissioners

hi all
        According to the South Wales Argus not one vote was cast in the Newport area. what a waste of time and money . Seems just another layer creaming money off everyone or am I a Cynic !!!
Dragongirl
martyn142

No votes at all? That's bizarre  Confused

I was surprised to see an independent won in Gwent too. I assumed Labour would be able to get enough of its supporters out to win it.
Ian Jones

I heard on the News that it was 1 rural polling station in Newport that there were no votes cast.
And as for Gwent in general, it just goes to show how complacent certain parties are now they are back in the driving seat.
The "return of the Indie's"  Very Happy
cymrocymraeg123

With the wages of these commissioners (c. £70,000 pa) and the money the elections cost, they could have saved some police officers jobs and stopped cutting police services and closing stations. Just saying like
martyn142

That's crazy talk  Laughing

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