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Rocke

Reasons to be Cheerful - the LONG Thread

This will be the longest-running thread on the forum I should think.

It's actually a very sad day knowing that our borough is about to be absorbed into another because of the inability of successive councils to properly, efficiently and effectly govern things.

However, it will mean that those responsible will either disappear off the face of the political Earth, their numbers greatly diminished and/or their power diluted so much as to be unable to cock things up again.

So, as things develop, events occur etc. we can all use this thread as the one to say '2017 might not be a bad year after all'.

There's only one rule - any original poster MUST provide the reason to be cheerful, in order to stimulate debate.

So, to start things off - the Williams Commission Report.

Reason to be cheerful? - Cllr McCarthy and his mob have control of our lives wrested from them.
Eddie legge

Rocke shall never again suffer the embarrassment  of not being wanted on local council What about replying to my letter 4th January
Rocke

Letters aren't on here.

I know we refer to 'posts' but it's in a different context these days.
We're in the computer age. We've on from using slates and whatever other forms of communication were used in bygone times.  
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Are you sure you're in the right place/time/planet even?

Chuck it up on here and I'll have some fun with whatever drivel your boys and girls came up with.
Rocke

PS - don't get so full of yourself that you think I'm that concerned about what you spout, old boy.
Rocke

Oh - and another PS.

Admin - sorry about this but EL's gone off topic and has tried to hijack the thread.
This is getting to be tiresome (for all of us) I think  Wink

Ordinarily I'd ask for the offending posts to be stricken but no doubt readers will be able to have a few laughs   Laughing
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Chuck it up on here. Rocke you enjoy telling Eddie he has never been a councilor And as for yourself  this is what an ex councill leader had to say about you
I had the confidence to appoint him in his role as chairman of the Environment Scrutiny Committee, a committtee which carries a Special Responsibility Allowance of more than £7.000 on top of his normal councillor allowance of £13,000 This is a tidy sum to do a job that I expect some return on. However this authority is placed at, or near, the bottom of the most local and national lists on environment issues. Councillor Rocke would be better place to make sure his committee dose its job to scrutinise the way in which policies and actions of the environment division and portfolio perform and not get involved in high leval political strategy he knows little about





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Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Chuck it up on here. Rocke you enjoy telling Eddie he has never been a councilor And as for yourself  this is what an ex councill leader had to say about you
I had the confidence to appoint him in his role as chairman of the Environment Scrutiny Committee, a committtee which carries a Special Responsibility Allowance of more than £7.000 on top of his normal councillor allowance of £13,000 This is a tidy sum to do a job that I expect some return on. However this authority is placed at, or near, the bottom of the most local and national lists on environment issues. Councillor Rocke would be better place to make sure his committee dose its job to scrutinise the way in which policies and actions of the environment division and portfolio perform and not get involved in high leval political strategy he knows little about







Thanks Eddies.

Well ex-Leader Hillman didn't exactly do himself (or us) proud for the additional £30-odd THOUSAND he got handed for nigh on 3 1/2 years did he ?

And unbelievably he's even committed a novice's mistake in his rationale.
Scrutiny Committees are there to monitor that Council policies are carried out, and that taking all things into account that those policies are beneficial to the citizens of the borough in general.
They cannot formulate change and have no authority. That is the role of the Executive, of which Mr Hillman was the ex-leader.

Mr Hillman's (political) references to being near the bottom of the league would be down to the failure of (political) leadership.
He appointed the Executive Member for Environment, he clearly was not monitoring the performance of his own 'inner circle'.

High-level political strategy that I allegedly know nothing about eh?

*  Well, who presided over a shambles of governance?
*  Who constantly and consistently failed to heed the warnings and advice he was given from a person who many (some grudgingly I admit) respected as an able and most capable Member who followed a progressive agenda and attempted to persuade his colleagues to do so?
*  Who was so blind as to not follow my lead in how to deal with the mass of disinformation and black propoganda being spewed out by the Opposition Group?
*  Who would not countenance the idea that the group of Independents etc. had to beome politically active, and that it could be achieved without being registered (or even recognised) as a formal group ? After all, isn't that what I did ? I always said that I worked with a group of people who had a common aim (and I always regarded myself that way, witness criticisms and the balanced letters I authored). Even though I was clearly anti-labourite dinosaur sheep I was never slavishly loyal to the Leader.

I won't go on, history shows me to be correct.

Mr Hillman's apparent tantrum reminds me of Ted Heath and his hatred of Margaret Thatcher for ousting him.

Mr Hillman and I do however have something in common - neither of us will again be Members of Blaenau Gwent County Borough Council.

He presided over the start of the Borough's slide towards oblivion, and his successor not only failed to halt or divert it but accelerated the process, and plunged us over the abyss.

However, even if it had not happened neither of us will have 'Cllr' before our names again.
We have that in common, the huge difference between us is that he can't get enough support and votes whenever he stands whereas I can't be bothered with trying manfully to drag dinosaur-like attitudes into the modern age, trying to get through to people who quite frankly don't have the mindset required to effectively make decisions that affect us all.

I've been there, not simply done it but brought it on a tad, showed people there is a progressive way to represent the people.

And as I say, and firmly believe - better to be a has-been than a never-was.

In that respect Des Hillman is a far better man than any of you lot will ever be.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Hillman to Rocke I find it sad that Councillor Dave Rocke would use me as a stick to beat his long-term adversary Councillor Hedley McCarthy with, This type of school playground tantrum is not what I would expect one of my chairmen of committees or indeed any councillor that is supposed to be portrayed as a person of high esteem and a community leader
Hillman again to Rocke You will have to live with your conscience that your actions to split the Independant group has helped to bring the very same wolves to the door that you mentioned in your letter Its no good throwing your toys out of the pram when things don't go the way you want them to, you have to work to change things in the best interest of the people of Blaenau Gwent. That's your job as a councillor, not help to bring the council down
The exchange of letters between Rocke and Hillman in Gwent Gazette did very little to enhance their reputation throughout the Borough it did much to bring them both down
Rocke

Another reason to be cheerful then - Rocke got rid of Hillman as Leader.

And of course Rocke was right to tell them both to go.

Had the Labour Party/Group listened to me they'd have despatched McCarthy to the wilderness, and perhaps this council might have saved this borough from being gobbled up.

But then again of course 'Headless' as he seems to be affectionately known is the figurehead, the chaff designed to draw all the flak.
When it came down to it, he wasn't allowed to lead - even make a contribution to - major debates especially when the press was there.

I recall 'heart attack gate' when his deputy led the attack.

In fact, that's given me an idea.

Headless, brainless, witless, hapless, gormless, soon-to-be-jobless, carless, couldn't-care-less.
Yep, you lot are definitely children of the lesser pod.

Nice try, attempting a distractive sideshow of Rocke v Hillman 2011 on a thread about the demise of BG 2017 and the run-up (or is it rundown) until then.
But then, as history tells us, dinosaurs didn't have a future did they ?   Very Happy

Now run back and tell Aberystwyth Al that it failed.
eddie smith

Rocke you huffed and you puffed and eventually you (and your accomplices) blew the house down and it has been left to the labour party to sort the sad sorry mess you left. You can huster and bluster all you like on here or in the pub but the sad sorry truth is you and your lot didnt have a clue. Nor do you now. Leave it up to the labour party Rocke we`ll put it right.
Rocke

eddie smith wrote:
Rocke you huffed and you puffed and eventually you (and your accomplices) blew the house down and it has been left to the labour party to sort the sad sorry mess you left. You can huster and bluster all you like on here or in the pub but the sad sorry truth is you and your lot didnt have a clue. Nor do you now. Leave it up to the labour party Rocke we`ll put it right.


Mmm - street lighting switch-off (01:30 - 05:30), very bad move says er... The Party.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er.... our street lights are now off from 00:30 until 06:00.

Mmm - fortnightly collections are a very bad move says er... The (same) Party.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er.... we're still having fortnightly collections  (and what's more, they appear to be collected by the same vehicle).

Mmm - Education all loused up, a Labour Minister sends in the stormtroopers er.... Commissioners.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er... they are still here, and not only that but Aber Comp escapes Special Measures by the skin of its teeth.

Mmm - Council Tax increases. The lowest this Borough's citizens have had to endure, and some of the lowest increases in Wales.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er... we were subjected to one of the largest Council Tax increases in Wales.

Mmm - 2008-2012, not one - not a single - compulsory redundancy.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er... the last two Christmases staff have been made redundant or informed that they would be subject to the possibly of redundancy. So much for the champions of the Working Class.
Oh - and no offer from Councillors to contribute to savings that would save jobs by reducing their own wages.

Mmm - 2008, control of the council handed over to Independents, wrested from a scandal-ridden Labour-bled council.
Over 18 months into a Labour-bled council and er... we look forward to 2017 when control of Blaenau Gwent is handed over to er... Caerphilly Council.  

Yep, Labour's certainly putting the world to rights.

Now, down on your knees, hands together and eyes closed - and pray that I don't decide to launch my own PR attack and send this post as a letter to the press.

(If anyone else cares to them please pm me and I'll happily give permission).

And once you've finished seeking Divine help you can get back into bed with the rest of the holier-than-thou mob who have totally let down the citizens of this Borough.

Been there, seen it, not very impressed at all - and no-one can validly accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about.

Ttfn Sue.
martyn142

I'm not sure we can take much more of the Labour party putting things right  Crying or Very sad

I had to laugh at Alun Davies' comment on Facebook about attending the Keep Wales Tidy awards, while our towns disappear under a mountain of fly-tipping thanks to labour closing the civic amenities sites.  Embarassed
Rocke

At least on there he can't be seen as a scruffy oik who can't even straighten his tie for the cameras Martyn.

The barn was the right place for him though.
Brithyll

.....and another thing to be cheerful about is that there will be more Welsh schools in the new County/Borough if we join with Caerphilly as they have loads of them. Very Happy  Very Happy.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Both Brithyll and Dave Rocke are cheerful over The Williams report calling for the 22 local councils in Wales to be reduced down to 12 or 10  
Brithyll is happy believing the report would mean more Welsh Schools, couldn’t care less about the number of job losses
As for Dave Rocke one only has to read his Forum comments to know, it is envy that lies behind his desire to gloat over the Williams report, and the number of job losses  
Envious people find pleasure in the downfall and misfortune of others
We are not talking about a councillor or a political party losing an election this is about councillors and staff being made redundant an estimated 1,500
martyn142

That comment is a tad ironic in view of the people Labour are throwing out of work at Blaenau Gwent.  Embarassed
Ian Jones

martyn142 wrote:
That comment is a tad ironic in view of the people Labour are throwing out of work at Blaenau Gwent.  Embarassed


Martyn i seem to have misplaced my reading glasses did you say that comment was ironic or moronic ?

Now the threat of trimming council's down from 22 to 12 or even 10 the suit's have woken up. All of a sudden it has indeed become a case of "we're all in this together" from their point of view anyway.
The job losses that were going to take place affecting frontline worker's would happen whichever scenario takes place.
The one's whom have up till now stayed silent are now trying to make this look like a catastrophe in which they played no part.
The only difference now that it looks very likely that council's will be merged is their own a***s are on the line.

Rocke as alway's has the integrity to post's his own view's under his own name.

He DOSE not rely on well meaning pensioner's to post political  propaganda for him, "they" not the people "they" use are spineless moronic users! with no shame or principle's and everyone that has had the misfortune to engage with "them" on any forum know's of this band of not so merry men/+woman.
Any person that has been used by them would do well to distance themselve's from these lowlife.
Keep the truth coming Rocke, Rocke Rocke Rocke Rocke !!
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Both Brithyll and Dave Rocke are cheerful over The Williams report calling for the 22 local councils in Wales to be reduced down to 12 or 10  
Brithyll is happy believing the report would mean more Welsh Schools, couldn’t care less about the number of job losses
As for Dave Rocke one only has to read his Forum comments to know, it is envy that lies behind his desire to gloat over the Williams report, and the number of job losses  
Envious people find pleasure in the downfall and misfortune of others
We are not talking about a councillor or a political party losing an election this is about councillors and staff being made redundant an estimated 1,500


That has to be the most self-destructive comment of all time.
GOTCHA, hypocrite
!  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

The posting on this and other Forums are from Eddie Legge alone
Let me say For an ex striking miner to agree with an ex councillor’s gloating over job losses is a very sad state of affairs
Ian Jones when Eddie Legge asked if the Ian Jones on Abertillery Forum was the same person on Speakeasy Forum you accused me of having an unhealthy interest in your private life and it could be you said be for nefarious purposes (extremely wicked)
To have deliberately exaggerated my innocent  reasons for asking if you were the one and the same on both Forums, You are a very wicked person Ian Jones not one to be trusted and should never be an admin on any Forum
And as for David Rocke the not wanted councillor of Cwmtillery He who finds pleasure in naming the local councillors whom he believes will loss their jobs, Rocke wants everyone to follow him down his wicked cheerful path, Let us hope the grass grows long down Rockes path for the want of use
Ian Jones

The posting on this and other Forums are from Eddie Legge alone
Let me say For an ex striking miner to agree with an ex councillor’s gloating over job losses is a very sad state of affairs


I haven't heard one Councillor say they were sorry for dumping all those EX-council workers on the scrap heap
It is only now they are afraid of becoming EX-councillor's they are complaining.
I will be sad to see "certain" Councillor's go but not all.




ARE YOU LISTENING ROCKIEEEE! That could mean the comments are copied and pasted by one person not necessarily written and posted by the same person.

Why is everything prefixed with EX ?
OK lets play along

The soon to be "EX-unofficial spokesperson" for Blaenau Gwent EX-labour will have gone the same way as his EX-friends and EX- Labour Councillor's out of the public eye that for some will be EX-tremely good news.
Maybe our education system, our transport system and our local government system will improve.
I love how Exie answers their own variations on other people's questions with their own distorted words but never answers a question directly at the time of asking, only after it becomes an EX-question.
I must say I am getting rather EX-cited at the thought of good local government Oooohh yeeees EX-tremely good news. xx
Eddie legge

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
The posting on this and other Forums are from Eddie Legge alone
Let me say For an ex striking miner to agree with an ex councillor’s gloating over job losses is a very sad state of affairs
Ian Jones when Eddie Legge asked if the Ian Jones on Abertillery Forum was the same person on Speakeasy Forum you accused me of having an unhealthy interest in your private life and it could be you said be for nefarious purposes (extremely wicked)
To have deliberately exaggerated my innocent  reasons for asking if you were the one and the same on both Forums, You are a very wicked person Ian Jones not one to be trusted and should never be an admin on any Forum
And as for David Rocke the not wanted councillor of Cwmtillery He who finds pleasure in naming the local councillors whom he believes will loss their jobs, Rocke wants everyone to follow him down his wicked cheerful path, Let us hope the grass grows long down Rockes wicked path for the want of use
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
The posting on this and other Forums are from Eddie Legge alone
Let me say For an ex striking miner to agree with an ex councillor’s gloating over job losses is a very sad state of affairs
Ian Jones when Eddie Legge asked if the Ian Jones on Abertillery Forum was the same person on Speakeasy Forum you accused me of having an unhealthy interest in your private life and it could be you said be for nefarious purposes (extremely wicked)
To have deliberately exaggerated my innocent  reasons for asking if you were the one and the same on both Forums, You are a very wicked person Ian Jones not one to be trusted and should never be an admin on any Forum
And as for David Rocke the not wanted councillor of Cwmtillery He who finds pleasure in naming the local councillors whom he believes will loss their jobs, Rocke wants everyone to follow him down his wicked cheerful path, Let us hope the grass grows long down Rockes path for the want of use


Ha ha ha !

You've been exposed - nay, you've exposed yourself - as a complete and utter hypocrite.

Just like the Labour Party - street lighting switch-off is BAD, fortnightly refuse collections are BAD, no job losses etc. etc etc.

Well, it's even worse under these hypocrites isn't it ?

There's no fool like a dinosaur.   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Rocke

Ian - you forgot that 'Eddie Legge' is soon to be an ex-'could have been a contender'.

'He' is about to become a has-been never-was ha ha ha !
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Ian Jones being so cheerfull over the loss of so many jobs what would you have said to any one who would have been cheerfull over Thatcher's decisision to close down the mining industry
You dont have a lot to say about the miners strike, Why may I ask
And as for Rocke we can only wonder why he was laid off work with wages paid. and where may we ask is working today
A pair well met Ian and Rocke brought to book
Ian Jones

Where is book? it seems to be getting a bit overcrowded with EX-councillor's and EX-miners.
What do you want to know about the EX-strike Exie I will be happy to give you a first hand account and not a work of EX-fiction.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Ian Jones as an apointed Admin on local Forums I should wish to know what you thought about strikeing miners who went back to work before strike ended
Ian Jones

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian Jones as an apointed Admin on local Forums I should wish to know what you thought about strikeing miners who went back to work before strike ended


What has being an admin got to do with the miner's strike Exie ?
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian Jones being so cheerfull over the loss of so many jobs what would you have said to any one who would have been cheerfull over Thatcher's decisision to close down the mining industry
You dont have a lot to say about the miners strike, Why may I ask
And as for Rocke we can only wonder why he was laid off work with wages paid. and where may we ask is working today
A pair well met Ian and Rocke brought to book


And pray ( or is it 'prey' ) what do you mean by that comment, oh dinosaur?

And let's ramp it up a bit - my last employment was with Torfaen CBC, which, like BG, is about to be absorbed into Caerphilly.

Come on, light the blue touch paper Dino (after you've asked Aberystwyth Al if it's OK to do so - I'll be very happy for him to trigger the Welsh Labour Party nightmare).

Laughing
Eddie legge

NIL Sine Labore

Ian I mentiond about you being a Forum Admin believing you would reply to my asking about strikeing miners in an honest respectful manner
I was wrong to assume that of you Ian    
Forget about the troubled Admin I ask Ian Jones do you remember any local strikeing miners saying sorry for doing Tatchers bidding when they went back to work before strike ended
And for David Rocke who on many occasions has defied the  Wisdom of Sirach who said (Dont let your tongue destroy you)
Will we ever know why he finished his employ with Torfaen council







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Ian Jones

Re: NIL Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian I mentiond about you being a Forum Admin believing you would reply to my asking about strikeing miners in an honest respectful manner
I was wrong to assume that of you Ian    
Forget about the troubled Admin I ask Ian Jones do you remember any local strikeing miners saying sorry for doing Tatchers bidding when they went back to work before strike ended
And for David Rocke who on many occasions has defied the  Wisdom of Sirach who said (Dont let your tongue destroy you)
Will we ever know why he finished his employ with Torfaen council







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 You have been given respect many times and have had many chances to return that respect.
The only time you feign any type of respect is when you want to fool onlookers to this forum that you are the respectful one.
You decietfully change the wording of people's replies to you trying to gain public sympathy thankfuly the public ( not the admins on any given forum) have seen through your tricks.
If you are implying I was a miner who went back to work have the guts to ask it in a straight question. By the way how long did your career in the pit last?
Eddie legge

NIL Sine Labore

Ian Jones there you go again assuming Eddie hasn’t got the guts to ask if you were a striking miner who went back to work before the strike ended were you Ian yes or no
Rocke

Re: NIL Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian I mentiond about you being a Forum Admin believing you would reply to my asking about strikeing miners in an honest respectful manner
I was wrong to assume that of you Ian    
Forget about the troubled Admin I ask Ian Jones do you remember any local strikeing miners saying sorry for doing Tatchers bidding when they went back to work before strike ended
And for David Rocke who on many occasions has defied the  Wisdom of Sirach who said (Dont let your tongue destroy you)
Will we ever know why he finished his employ with Torfaen council





No, in short (not from me anyway).

Would you like to know why I haven't worked for over 2 years and probably won't ever again, yet my family are blessed to have a good lifestyle ?

I'll answer those for you !
Rocke

Re: NIL Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Ian Jones there you go again assuming Eddie hasn’t got the guts to ask if you were a striking miner who went back to work before the strike ended were you Ian yes or no


That's a good one, someone spineless putting words about 'no guts' into another's mouth.  

Yep, hypocrisy is definitely the word of this week.

I never though I'd praise the Eddies, but in fairness you lot do practice what you preach.
Eddie legge

NIL Sine Labore

Rocke your outbursts of rage hide your inner feelings of vulnerability
Ian Jones

Re: NIL Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Rocke your outbursts of rage hide your inner feelings of vulnerability


That sounds exactly the kind of thing that someone who fancies themself as an amatuer psychologist ( who I once knew ) would say Wink

I think they should stick to their day job though.
Rocke

Re: NIL Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Rocke your outbursts of rage hide your inner feelings of vulnerability


And that comment absolutely proves beyond doubt that the 'Eddie Legge' on the Electoral Register didn't come up with it.

Mr Legge (as in Thomas Edward Legge) did not have the education to be able to form an opinion of someone's psychological situation.

His limited grammatical ability did however mean that he would commit an error by not putting the requisite comma after "Rocke". He was after all not saying 'Rocke your ability' etc. , he presumably was saying directly to me, hence "Rocke, your ability.....".

To a frog a monkey is clever.
To a monkey humans are clever.
Some humans are far more clever than others.

You can go back to your intellectual pond now.   Laughing

And if you (any of you backroom amoeba) crawl out from your intellectual primaeval swamp again and have the misfortune to cross my path then I'll seek to prove the adage that 'the Devil makes work for idle hands'.

Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council will be the first step along my way right to the top.

Now - publish or be damned boys and girlies.
Eddie legge

Nil Sine Labore

Rocke Experience alone provides us with knowledge
In the begining in mens minds there exists certain  Ideas
independant of experience
Rocke

Re: Nil Sine Labore

Eddie legge wrote:
Rocke your outbursts of rage hide your inner feelings of vulnerability


Eddie legge wrote:
Rocke Experience alone provides us with knowledge
In the begining in mens minds there exists certain  Ideas
independant of experience


Today's coffee break entertainment:

Spot the difference between the two styles of writing above.
And once you've done that answer this simple question:

Which of those was written by the REAL ie Thomas, 'Eddie' Legge???

(And fwiw yep - never even came close to getting out of the pond).
Rocke

Oh, and by the way Eddie, did you clear that post with one of Aberystwyth Al's Communications (ie Black Propaganda) Team?

If not then you're giving the Labour Party a bad name.
No wonder our children's education is in a continuing mess.

Now, roll out the monkey who thinks they're Sigmund Freud (Inclement Freud more like  Laughing ).
Shooing away gnats who irritate me every now and then is getting boring.

Let's have some real sport so that everyone gets a good idea of what's going to be happening on the hustings between the latter part of this year and the 2017 LG elections.
Rocke

Mmm.... it's all gone quiet over here.

Must be feeding time at the zoo.

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