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Eddie legge

School Children Made to speak Welsh

Western Mail Thursday 15 November
Our children told off for speaking English
The Children’s Commissioner for Wales last night said he was reviewing
Complaints from parents that their children have been punished for speaking
English in Welsh language primary schools  
As reported children as young as three are being refused access to use toilet if they don’t request to do so in Welsh
West Wales Editor, rachael.misstear@walesonline.co.uk
Eddie Legge
Ian Jones

It is as it says in your post a Welsh Language school, if it was any other school and the Teacher asked the Pupil to say "please may i go to the toilet" in what ever Language and the Pupil refused to say please, would you let them go?
I take it the parent's have the option of sending their children to an English speaking School if they so pleased.
Denying one's right to use a toilet is a no-no but do we let Children dictate to Teacher's?
All they had to do is speak in Welsh, which is i presume why they are at that school in the first place.
Eddie legge

Bilingual yes but dont speak English

How many English speaking Schools in the area concerned
Campaigners claim there are a number of cases in schools across Ceredigion and say
Pupils are being “admonished” for being bilingual
The complaint alleged a pupil was told by a teacher “Move to England “if she wanted to speak English in the playground

Eddie Legge
Saeson

Oh, this old anti-Welsh chestnut has been doing the rounds for years. Last time it was some dreadful school in Pembrokeshire. If you can be bothered to spend two minutes on Google you`ll see that the story has no factual basis and never has.

Children in Welsh medium schools will certainly be encouraged to speak Welsh (isn`t that the point after all?), but there`s no proof that they are punished for not doing so and anyway I`m quite sure no school would dare. When they`re 15 these kids will be sitting most of their GCSE`s in Welsh; I think it`s probably advantageous for them to be fluent in the language  Rolling Eyes
Ian Jones

Re: Bilingual yes but dont speak English

Eddie legge wrote:
How many English speaking Schools in the area concerned
Campaigners claim there are a number of cases in schools across Ceredigion and say
Pupils are being “admonished” for being bilingual
The complaint alleged a pupil was told by a teacher “Move to England “if she wanted to speak English in the playground

Eddie Legge


"Campaigners claim".....
This from a man who in so many words told another forum user to deal in facts not opinions!

Also isn't 3 yrs of age to young to be in school?
Eddie legge

The following reported the allegations about children
Being punished for speaking English
Western Mail, the Telegraph, South Wales Evening Post,
Parent dish, Reason.com
Saeson

Eddie legge wrote:
The following reported the allegations about children
Being punished for speaking English
Western Mail, the Telegraph, South Wales Evening Post,
Parent dish, Reason.com


Well it must be true then  Rolling Eyes  Very Happy
martyn142

I wouldn't like to comment on whether any of these claims are true or not. I will say, however, that they have been encouraged by a pressure group called BiLingo. Here's their website

http://bilingo.weebly.com/index.html
Ian Jones

“In our experience parents have every confidence in being able to discuss any concerns with the school.”

Aberaeron councillor Elizabeth Evans said she was concerned about the severity of the allegations a proper investigation could not proceed without those involved stepping forward................................................

Has anyone come forward Eddie ? Facts please.
And if this situation was reversed where a Welsh speaking child moved to England to an English only speaking school and they asked to go to the toilet in Welsh, would the teacher understand them ? would they tell them to speak in English ? what say you Eddie?
Saeson

martyn142 wrote:
I wouldn't like to comment on whether any of these claims are true or not. I will say, however, that they have been encouraged by a pressure group called BiLingo. Here's their website

http://bilingo.weebly.com/index.html


A small website and not an inflammatory one it seems. Probably set up by parent(s) concerned that many schools in Ceredigion are or will become Welsh medium (there`s not really any such thing as a bilingual school unless they`re talking about dual stream). For example, Cardigan Primary (currently a dual stream school, funnily enough), from next year, will be admitting no new English medium pupils. A result of parental choice I`d say (although if you believe Gogwatch it`s because they`ve all been brainwashed  Rolling Eyes ). There are English schools available just not as many as some would like; I`d say it`s a bit like living in South-East Wales and wanting to send your child to a Welsh school, but the other way round. So, not much sympathy from me.
Ian Jones

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-compulsory-language-classes.html

This may cause a few more problem's, anyone know what "please may i go to the toilet" is in Latin?
cymrocymraeg123

I had to ask in Welsh as well, I had to say whether I wanted school meals or brought my own in Welsh, and say I was present in class in Welsh, all children in Wales have to, and I was born over 20 years ago so it's been done for a while now. The few individuals behind the story (who refuse to show their faces) have blown it all out of proportion. The children will not be left in the room if they need the toilet for example, that's just pathetic talk.

Having visited the website, which is now taken down, they had a survey on there. The survey asked what parents in the Ceredigion area thought about the Educ. Strategy. A majority said they were happy or very happy, and most people thought there was either an unfair balance on English or it was fairly balanced. No wonder then, that these people have decided to discontinue the webiste and go it alone with complaints.

There is no evidence whatsoever, the Council and AM for the area wanted to discuss and meet parents, but no one came forward.

The Western Mail, Daily Mail and Telegraph? Are you for real? These papers will jump at the chance to knock Wales, their ignorance and bigotry is astounding sometimes. In fact, several complaints have been made to the Press Complaints Commission for publishing a story and slandering Council members and teaching staff without due evidence.

As said above, at the moment it isn't a statutory requirement for any school in Wales to provide WM education, or even respond to demand for it. This means that the EM stream will be closed as not enough children attend.

Next whinge pleae.
Anthony Earl-Williams

schoolchildren made to speak Welsh

Mr Jones asked how one asks for the toilet in Latin.
"Si tibi placet, o magister, ubi sunt latrinae?"  is more or less the answer.  "If it pleases thee, o Master, where are the latrines?"
Conversational Latin is great fun, not least for priests who say the Latin Mass and who are therefore "using" Latin on a daily basis. There are conversational Latin courses.
My local PRIMARY school in Camden (state) has a weekly Latin lesson for the older children. An excellent experiment and much enjoyed by those who take part. They also give a choice of French or Spanish.
Any English child in Wales who is fortunate enough to learn Welsh has a life-long linguistic treasury to value in later years.
We cannot know enough languages!
I have taught in two Czech Grammar Schools (yes, they sensibly have them from the age of fourteen - no strict exam: anyone with medium ability may go) and it is normal for pupils to study English, German and, increasingly French. Russian is also making an optional comeback.
I believe I am correct in saying that Welsh was never taught at Abertillery Grammar, whereas it was definitely taught at Ebbw Vale Grammar for the whole 90 years of its existence! Mrs Olwen Samuel was Welsh mistress for the last 35 years of the school. Her husband, Dewi, was Classics Master, and we did Greek as well as Latin. Welsh was their mother tongue but Olwen was very desparaging about "North Wales Welsh" !! She always said that Carmarthenshire Welsh was "proper" . I dare say Cardigan Welsh would have been OK too!
Anthony
martyn142

My wife learned Latin at Nantyglo and loved it. If they had conversational classeses in this area I'm sure she'd go along.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Teaching Welsh to school children

Martyn,
            If you type into Bing or Google "Conversational Latin" quite a few suggestions come up.
There is an excellent course of Latin as a SPOKEN language called "Conversational Latin" for Oral Proficiency. 4th Edition by John C. Traupman. Publishers: Bolchazy - Carducci Inc.
There are various course books for modern Latin - ask in any good bookshop. Maybe a nice Christmas present for your wife!?
Anthony
ps: is Latin taught now at Abertillery Comp?
Ian Jones

Ohhh relief at last thank you Anthony, i've been holding that in for nearly a mensis  Very Happy
Anthony Earl-Williams

school children taught Welsh

Inter nos, Ian, I think you have had a lapsus calami and meant to write "mensa".
(calamus is a reed that was used as a quill pen)
A
Ian Jones

Re: school children taught Welsh

Anthony Earl-Williams wrote:
Inter nos, Ian, I think you have had a lapsus calami and meant to write "mensa".
(calamus is a reed that was used as a quill pen)
A


I was referring to holding my need for the toilet for nearly a month Anthony as my last post was in November (or should i say "Nine" ). I believe mensis is Month ?
please correct me if i am wrong t/y.
PS@ good to see you back   Smile
Anthony Earl-Williams

children speaking Welsh.

It should have been the Ablative (after "in")!!!!!!
 The site seems to have gone very quiet lately. And I am certainly keeping out of all political stuff!!
Suffice to say that Julian seems to be doing a good job as Mayor. He will be made a priest next summer.
Anthony
martyn142

Re: Teaching Welsh to school children

Anthony Earl-Williams wrote:
Martyn,
            If you type into Bing or Google "Conversational Latin" quite a few suggestions come up.
There is an excellent course of Latin as a SPOKEN language called "Conversational Latin" for Oral Proficiency. 4th Edition by John C. Traupman. Publishers: Bolchazy - Carducci Inc.
There are various course books for modern Latin - ask in any good bookshop. Maybe a nice Christmas present for your wife!?
Anthony
ps: is Latin taught now at Abertillery Comp?


Thanks Anthony - I might well get her something for Christmas. It would be nice if she could actually attend classes though but I'm certain there aren't any, least of all in Abertillery Comp.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Welsh lessons

Martyn, if you type in Free Latin Lessons on Line quite a few things appear, as I said.
You need to find a retired Latin teacher and start a small group!!! Maybe the Monmouthshire LEA could help!!! Or Newport LEA.
I am afraid that our dear Mrs Ida Mounter is very much unavailable as she is lying up at Brynithell. If that sounds flippant, it isn't meant to be; she was an inspiration to all her Latin pupils at Abertillery Grammar over many years.
I suggest a conversational Teach Yourself course for your wife, and I am sure Mrs Mounter would have advised the same.
A
martyn142

Well I've made a start with this book. It sounds good fun. Thansk for your help Anthony.  Smile

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amo-Amas-Amat-All-That/dp/1906021155

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