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welshinmyblood

The Reed Family in Abertillery

Hi. I'm researching my Reed family ancestors from Abertillery. My great granddad was William Reed, born in 1871 and died I think in 1943. His wife was Mary Ann Reed, (nee Webb). Born in 1876, died in 1951 in Oakdale. They had four children. Thomas j Reed, born in 1895, died I think in 1916 in France. I'm sure he is on the war memorial, and he was in the South Wales Borderers. William H Reed was born in 1896, but that's pretty much all I know about him, although I think he was living at113, Princess st in 1943. Edward born in 1900 and died in 1948. Last but not least my granddad John Trevor Reed, born in 1904 and died in 1941 in Crete. My great granddad William was living at 56 Somerset st from 1911 until his death in 1943. Any information would be most helpful. Thank you.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Probably not a member of your family but Charles Sidney Reed lived in Oak Street, taught at Abertillery Grammar School and was highly regarded.
Lost his life in The Great War and is mentioned in the book "With Rifle and Pick".
welshinmyblood

Thank you, but I think you are right about him not being related. Strangely enough though, when my grandad joined the navy in 1921, his address was 19 Oak Street, but I think he was living with his aunt.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Electoral Registers 1922-1938 and 1945-1962
56 Princess Street, Abertillery.

William Reed & Sarah Reed (1922-1938)
William Trevor Reed (1935-1936)
Gwyn Irving Reed (1937 and 1946-1953)
Sarah J Reed (1945-1962)

Saw no Reed's listed for Somerset Street, same period.
welshinmyblood

Thank you, that is really interesting. For some reason I got the addresses wrong and I meant William Reed was living at 56 Princess St from 1911 to when he died in 1943, and his son was living at 113 Gladstone St in 1943. You have given me so much very interesting information. Is it possible to find William his son in Gladstone St? Thank you once again.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Possibly, but there's no books 1939-1944. Will look next visit.
welshinmyblood

Thank you. That info has really opened up a can of worms.
welshinmyblood

It would appear from the information you have given me, that my granddad had two half brothers, one born in 1914, and one born in 1916. Although on the birth register the mothers name is Reed,(maiden name Arndell) they didn't marry until 1930!! So does anyone remember a Gwyn or a William Reed in Abertillery. William lived at 113 Gladstone Street.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Saw a few books yesterday and a family surname Arndell was in one of them. It would have been at Princess or Somerset Streets if Abertillery, could have been any street if they lived in Llanhilleth as I was looking for information from there mostly.
welshinmyblood

It looks like my Sarah J Arndell came from Aberdare. In 1911 she was working in the Blaengwawr Inn in Aberdare. I wonder how my great grandad met her. Was she staying with Arndell relations in Abertillery? My poor grandma had to leave the family home and stay with her sisters. I think one house she stayed at was 19 Oak Street. This has always been a family mystery. Guess people didn't talk much about these things in those days.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

113 Gladstone Street

William T Reed and Edith Reed (1945-1948)
also at this address
Walter Churcher (1946-1948)
Samuel Shrapnell (1947-1948).


52 Gladstone Street 1937.

George Henry Reed and Edna May Reed


30 Princess Street 1938.

Arthur Reed and Elizabeth Reed.

Didn't see Sarah J Arndell with the other Arndells at 59 Princess Street, but will look at Oak Street another day.
welshinmyblood

Thank you, you really are a star. There is an Arthur Reed in my family, brother to William senior, so that's a possibility. Sarah J Arndell was using the Reed name as early as 1914, even though she didn't marry William Reed until 1930, presumably because he couldn't get a divorce until then. Hopefully when you get a chance to look at Oak Street, you will find Mary Ann Sister, Margaret James. Like I said, I know My granddad was there in 1923, but I'm not sure where my gran was. My gran lived in Oakdale with another sister in the 1930s and up until her death in 1951.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

19 Oak Street.

David Henry James (1922-1950).
Margaret Jane James (1922-1953).
John Trevor Reed (1928-1932).
Lilian Carter (1930-1934, 1937-1938, 1948).

1938-1945

21 Beech Grove, Oakdale.

James Reed and Annie Reed.


51 Markham Crescent, Oakdale.

William Reed and Ethel May Reed.


94 Markham Crescent, Oakdale.

Arthur Owen Reed and Doris Reed.


No joy Sarah J Arndell.
welshinmyblood

reed family

Thank you once again. I don't think you will find Sarah J Arndell, because she was using the Reed surname from at least 1914. The Oak street names are very interesting and maybe you could help clear up a bit of confusion. My granddad, John Trevor Reed joined the Navy in 1923, and married my gran in 1929. They were living in Southampton. Did the person on the electoral roll have to physically live at that address? Lillian Carter was Margaret James daughter from her first marriage. I had her down as marrying Thomas Penny in 1923, looks like I was wrong. I'm not sure if the Reeds in Oakdale are related, a bit more research needed there. My gran was living with her sister(Emily Smith) and her family in Oakdale in the 30s 40s and early 50s. Its the years after 1911 to 1938 that are a mystery. You have given me a lot of food for thought. Thank you.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Next to John Trevor Reed's name were the letters N M which stood for Naval or Military and the letter A for absent voter.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Here's a few more people with the surname Reed. Their deaths were registered at Blaenau Gwent or St. Pauls and would have died a few days prior to the registration date.

Thomas Reed, 72 Newall Street Abertillery, aged 25,  07/11/1917.
William Reed, 9 Walter Street Abertillery,  aged 70,   13/03/1918.
Prudence May Reed, 49 Roseheyworth Road Abertillery,  aged36,   10/10/1922.
Esther Reed, 27 Gwastod Terrace Cwmtillery,  aged 76,   13/01/1931.
Maggie Mary Reed, 6 Cyril Place Abertillery,  aged 39,   28/10/1937.
Maria Reed, 72 Newall Street Abertillery,  aged 90,   18/01/1940.
William Amos Reed, 58 Arael Street Six Bells,  aged 66,   08/02/1951
welshinmyblood

Thank you. Maria Reed was my great great grandama, and Thomas Reed was my great granddads brother. I wonder if he died through a mining accident. The other Reeds need researching. Thanks for looking at John Trevor Reed again. Like I said, he married in 1929, and was living in Southampton(when he wasn't at sea) This is all very helpful and clears a little bit of the Reed family mystery.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

I'll look at 72 Newall Street, again later this week.
welshinmyblood

I have the 1911 Census return for 72 Newell St, and the Head is Samuel Hogg. He married Harriet Reed(my great granddads sister) My great great granddad and grandma were living there as well, also there son Thomas Reed, and there daughter Kate Reed. It's amazing to think she lived until 90yrs old, and was still in the same house. What I also find incredible is in 1911 Thomas Reed was 70 and still working in the mines! Tough people back then!
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Great stuff.
Regards the War Memorial believe there's 4 surname Reed from the Great War not sure about World War 2 though. Didn't see his name on any of the church commemorations.
welshinmyblood

I will have to come to Abertillery again and take another look at the war memorial. I know my Grandad (John Trevor Reed) isn't on it, and have often wondered if he should be. He is on the Portsmouth Royal Navy memorial, and my mum got Southampton to put him on a new memorial in the city a few years ago. One thing we have never been able to find out is where my Great Gran, Mary Ann Reed was buried. She died in Oakdale in 1951, but we can't find her there or the big cemetery on the hill outside Abertillery. Any advice would be helpful.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Awkward, Oakdale came under a few different districts, if it's Brynithel in Abertillery can't help.
welshinmyblood

Ok, thank you. I know she was married in St Illtyds church, which I presume comes under Brynithel. Doesn't mean she was buried there though.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Yes the Hogg family had the house until 1959, members of that family were Samuel, Harriett, Morton, Victor and Adolphus.
After The Hogg's, Kenneth and Maureen Jenkins (1960) followed by Glyn and Evelyn Andrews (1963).
There's a CD for burials at St. Illtyds but it's 1813-1930.
welshinmyblood

Gosh, they had long lives! Samuel was 90 in 1959, Harriet was 80, Morton, 58, Victor 54 and Adolphus  56. All very interesting, thank you. Is it possible for me to find out this information at the museum? If so, I could come and spend a day in the town and do some research.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Wouldn't know about the Museum, I use the Reference Library down John Frost Square in Newport.
welshinmyblood

Ok, thank you. I have just found some notes I made a few years ago, after a visit to a very elderly relation in Abergavenny. She said my Great gran, Mary Ann Reed was living with her sister, Janet Hatton just off Gladstone St. I have Janet Hatton living at 17 Glynmawn St in 1911. Could you possibly check this for me? This ladys memory was amazing, (she was in her 90s then) and so far all that she told us has been right. She also said my Great gran worked on the ferrys and had an affair with an Irish customs officer! I haven't worked that one out yet, and don't know if I ever will, but your research has cleared a few things up.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Unless Janet Hatton was a wealthy gal she's unlikely to feature in pre 1922 registers, only ladies with property.
Nonetheless will have a look at that address.
Don't think Irish customs officers are listed.
welshinmyblood

I don't think there was any wealth in my welsh forebears.(not much now either) Her maiden name was Webb and she married William Hatton in 1906. No, I think the Irish customs officer is going to remain a mystery, and I don't know how a lass from the valleys came to be working on the ferries. But like I say, the old lady I met has been pretty accurate so far, although she didn't tell me my great granddad Reed had remarried.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Webb the brewers had a few tanners, take it no relation.
welshinmyblood

Not as far as I know. As far as I have discovered  most of my Webb ancestors were coal miners.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

15 & 17 Clynmawr Street.

15  Richard Hatton (1907 - 1910).
17  William John Hatton (1910).
15  William John Hatton & Janet Hatton (1922).
welshinmyblood

Thank you for looking. I guess it will be impossible to find Mary Ann between 1911 and 1922. One interesting thing though. Richard Hatton was living in Cromwell St in 1911. They seemed to move house a lot back then
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Looked at those books, but didn't see Mary Ann Reed in the 1911-1915 registers. Believe Ada Reed was the only female renting a house off of Job Reed.
Don't know if there's any connection but a John & Mary Reed together with a Thomas Arthur Nunnerley were living at 2 Roseberry Buildings, Abertillery in the Autumn 1922 register.
Mary Ann

Re: The Reed family in Abertillery

Thomas Arthur Nunnerley was employed at Abertillery Tinplate Works and occupied the position of Manager from about the mid 1940's until the Works closed in 1959  I believe he originated from the Pontypool area
welshinmyblood

Very interesting, thank you. Who knows, this could be my great gran, and my granddad, just using there first names. Do you know what the Rosemary Buildings were? Thomas A Nunnerley  was the son of Thomas Nunnerley and lived at Coronation Terrace, Hanbury R', Pontnewynydd, in 1911. He was a Galverniser at iron works. They came from Staffordshire. He was 17 in 1911.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Assume Roseberry Buildings were in the same area as Roseberry Street, off Gladstone, if memory serves there were only 3 or 4 properties at Roseberry Buildings in the early 20's.
welshinmyblood

I presume they don't exists any more? Were they the normal type of workers house? Just trying to get some idea why they would be living there, assuming they are my relations.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

There's loads like Roseberry Buildings around that time.
I've got a 1918 OS map but fairly sure they are not named on there.
What year does Mary Ann Reed vacate Abertillery, as you said a lot of movement back then.
welshinmyblood

We don't know when she left Abertillery. It's all a big mystery. But you have helped to unravel some of it. All I know for sure is, she was living in Princess St with William and kids in 1911. Then they split, and she reappears in Oakdale in 1938 living with her sister. There is talk of her going to Ireland, and America, but we don't really know.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Roseberry Street but no Roseberry Buildings named on that 1918 OS map.
I was going to have a look at all those old buildings last year to look for a couple of shops at Gladstone Buildings Cwmtillery but never got around to it, maybe when schools out.
Other buildings around 1922 were, Barry, Boyt's, Bristol, Hancock's, Hall, Prosser's, Weaver's, Williamson's and Worcester.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Of no help to you "welshinmyblood" but the Roseberry Shop was I believe in Oak Street.
In 1898 Fred Fielding put up for auction the shop and the whole of Winnifred Terrace in Cwmtillery after being declared bankrupt. Fred also owned a few post offices and other property around Cwmtillery but they weren't part of the sale.
Believe one of the Tilney's acquired the shop.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Looked at the 1927 ER but didn't see John and Mary Reed or Mary Ann Reed living in either Abertillery or Blaenau Gwent that year.
Did see a few Webb's listed mostly Newtown, Blaenau Gwent.

Roseberry Buildings (1922-1931) the dwellings were numbered, one two and four. Number two had disappeared by 1926 and numbers one and four by 1931.
Number two.
Autumn 1923 John and Mary Reed plus William and Rose Davies.
Autumn 1924 John And Mary Reed plus Emma Roberts.
Autumn 1925 John and Mary Reed plus Thomas and Lillian Parry.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Hi, there's 5 children with the surname Reed buried up at St. Illtyd, Brynithel, either from Abertillery or Cwm and dating 1860's and 1870's.
welshinmyblood

Thank you stoob, all information is most welcome. I have a photo of Mary Ann and her son John, and my gran, taken in the late 1920s, with four other people I don't recognise sat on a Bull Nose Morris. This was taken somewhere in the Abertillery area, but I can't figure out who owned the car. I'm sure my granddad, a mere stoker in the navy could'nt afford a car, unless he borrowed it to drive up to wales from Southampton.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

welshinmyblood

Thank you for posting the picture stoob. I have spent many hours pondering over this. Could I just add. From L/R. Mary Ann Reed(my great gran). Her son, John Trevor Reed.(my granddad)Sat on his knee, Alice Reed.(my grandma). The rest are unknown, but I'm sure are related. Year is probably between 1927/29.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

John Trevor Reed, appeared on the 1930 absent voters list, saw it today.

Found him on the Naval History Casualty List.

REED, JOHN TREVOR  - Chief Stoker – P/K. 62896 – H M S “Hereward” - Royal Navy – 19 Oak Street, Abertillery, - ship lost 29th May 1941, - missing presumed killed.
welshinmyblood

Thank you. Yes, he was killed whilst the Royal Navy were evacuating troops from Crete. Another ship hit problems, and by the time the troops had been transferred to another ship, dawn had broken, and the German Stukas found the flotilla! Hereward was hit first down the foreward funnel. My granddad, being a Chief Stoker, didn't really stand a chance. Strange that it said 19 Oak Street on your info, because he was living in Bluebell Road, Southampton by then. Often wondered if his name should be on the Abertillery war memorial?
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

I would opine that as he was living in Abertillery when he enlisted, then he should be commemorated somewhere in Abertillery.

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welshinmyblood

I have his service record from when he joined up in 1923, and the address he gives is 19, Oak Street. When he married in 1929, his address changes to, Bluebell Rd, Southampton. As far as I am aware, he is only commemorated on the Royal Navy memorial in Southsea, and very recently on a new memorial in Southampton. It would be wonderful to think he was commemorated in his birth town of Abertillery, my mum would find that very special.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

The two Ray Westlake books lists everybody from The Great War commemorated in Abertillery.

Believe volume 2 lengthens the boundaries of those that worshiped in the local churches and either lost their lives or returned from both world wars.

To my knowledge John Trevor Reed is not listed.
welshinmyblood

I wonder if it would be possible to have his name added to the war memorial in Abertillery. I'm pretty sure the Thomas Reed on the memorial that was killed in ww1, is his older brother. I can't be 100% sure because although I can find his regiment and number, and the fact he was born and enlisted in Abertillery, it doesn't mention who his parents were.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

There may be more that one not listed, there was a guy called George Steward who was a Sergeant at Abertillery Drill Hall from 1907 to the start of the war.
A George Steward died late 1914 and his picture was in the South Wales Echo. Trying to find out if it's the same guy.
Regards the Memorial, think you'll need to contact the CWGC and not the local British Legion. They are however very busy and it took two months for them to answer my last query.
welshinmyblood

Thanks Stoob, I will bare that in mind.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Frederick William Price may be another, was hoping to see the British Legion guys yesterday morning but they weren't about, ask next weekend.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

Not heard anything further from the council, would the gentleman listed below have a family connection.

REED, JAMES ALFRED - Rifleman - 6843718 - King’s Royal Rifle Corps - 27 Upper Gwastod Terrace, Cwmtillery, - appears on the 1930 absent voters list.
welshinmyblood

He isn't part of my immediate family. Thank you anyway.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

No problem, keep you up to speed on the other matter.
stoob

The Reed family in Abertillery

A cross was laid at the Abertillery Memorial in memory of John Trevor Reed.
welshinmyblood

Thank you stoob, that is very kind. I will ring my mum later and let her know, she will be most appreciative
welshinmyblood

I have finally had it confirmed that the Thomas Reed on the Abertillery war memorial is indeed my Great Uncle. He joined the Soth Wales Borderers in around October 1915, and was killed at Mametz Wood 10th July 1916. I am very honoured to be related to him.
stoob

The Reed Family

Great news for your family.

REED, JOHN TREVOR  - Chief Stoker - P/K.62896 - HMS “Hereward” - Royal Navy - 19 Oak Street, Abertillery, - aged 36 - ship lost 29th May 1941, - missing presumed killed - honoured on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial - Panel 53, Column 3.

REED, THOMAS - Private 33190 - 10th Battalion South Wales Borderers - died 10th July 1916 - born in Abertillery; enlisted at Abertillery - commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France - memorial reference, - Pier and Face 4A
welshinmyblood

Thanks Stoob. I hope that we can have Johns name added to the war memorial, along with his older brother.
JMR 1955

Photo of Reed Family/Relations

I only chanced across this when browsing the web, however  I can add some detail to this stream. The photo features my Grandmother EdithWebb who became Edith Rowlands by Marriage.Her sister married into the Reed family .The Webbs a mining family lived in The Rows  Abertillery.I have significant amount of info on the Webbs and some on the Reeds having investigated Thomas's loss at the Battle of Mametz Wood.
I am 99% certain the car in the picture belonged to my Grandfather Alfred John Rowlands as I have other photos of it in his possession with both him and Edith shown.
Sadly Edith died of cancer in 1928 so this photo clearly predates that.
welshinmyblood

Hi. I have just read your post and am very excited by what you have said. My great gran was Mary ann Reed(nee Webb). She is the lady standing on the far left. Her son,  John Trevor Reed, sat down wearing the Navy uniform, is my grandad. The lady on his knee is my grandma. We have never known the identity of the other people, but suspected they were related. Could you tell me which people were your grandparents, and can you identify the other two people. Thank you.
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JMR 1955

The lady central to the picture is my Grandmother Edith Rowlands nee Webb.My Grandfather is not shown in the photo but could well have been taking it.
I have a memorial picture of Thomas Reed from the newspapers in 1916 following his loss fighting for the South Wales Borderers at Mametz.He had formerly worked at Gray Colliery.He lived at 66 Princess Street with his family.
Is there anyway I can access your E mail address to send you more material ??
welshinmyblood

Hi. I have sent you a private message. Can you tell me. Apart from your gran, have you seen any of these people before in a photo? I have done a little research on Edith and your grandad Alfred, and see they were living in the midlands. I wonder if they had come down for the day or weekend.

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