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Rocke

The Welfare State explained in a single sentence

Those in work contribute to the support of those out of work.

It's as simple as that.

An easy principle to put in place at the time. There were far more people in work than out of it. The incidence of unemployment was very low, the vast majority of people out of work being OAPs. Medical science and social care was such that the average life expectancy was in the low 70s, so OAPs were in receipt of their pensions for around half the time they are today.    
The Dole bill wasn't the proportion of benefit that it is today.

The workers' NI contributions could easily cover these two main costs of the welfare state, and the NHS as well.

So, it was all nicely balanced.

Until:

*  a significant percentage of the workforce becomes non-contributors, unemployed etc ;
*  substantial amounts of money is wasted on unproductive services;
* the welfare services become overrun with more people requiring them, demand increasing etc.

In essence, the cost is far greater and there's fewer people to contribute to it.  

I have a good idea of the contributions that will be made to this starter for 10.

Dear readers.................... go for it !
Eddie legge

David Rocke what was on your mind when you said?
In your resignation letter to Forum Members
I put up with astonishing ineptitude on one side
and unbelievable vituperative on the other,
And all for less than a lot around here get whilst unemployed  
 
eddie legge
Rocke

Er.... that I had put up with astonishing ineptitude on one side
and unbelievable vituperative on the other, and all for less than a lot around here get whilst unemployed.

Now, this is meant to be a thread on current national issues ie. the state of the Welfare State. Properly contributed to, it could provide your Party's backroom boys with real feedback and ideas from real people abouthow they feel, what's gone wrong, what could be done etc.

X P O P's - IMHO very valid - beef is that genuine people are being caught up in the war on spongers.

So, given that the principles that uphold and support the most generous Welfare system in the world cannot be violated, how can the real world be brought into line with those ideals?

If you lot can't contribute along those lines in this thread then I'll ask admin to consider a ban, for constantly going off-topic and diluting valid and thought-provoking threads.
kdwent

Unfortunately work patterns and people expectations have changed since the introduction of the Welfare State. It is true that the country cannot continue paying out as it does, however I do believe that this government aided by certain newspapers tries to demonise those people on benefits in order to detract attention from its own shortcomings.

By the way how about a whip round to buy team Eddie a dictionary.
Rocke

In a way, yes.

It was built around a work ethic, whereby family heads believed in working for the benefit of their family, not working for Benefits for their sprogs.

George Osborne's a slimey toad who's trying to insinuate that the Tories are on the same track as the rest of us ie. stop people such as a, j, m and everyone else that we KNOW are flaunting 'the system' from er.... flaunting 'the system'  

Idea correct, execution inefffective, PR complete rubbish Dave.

MUST do better.
kdwent

Rocke wrote:
In a way, yes.

It was built around a work ethic, whereby family heads believed in working for the benefit of their family, not working for Benefits for their sprogs.

George Osborne's a slimey toad who's trying to insinuate that the Tories are on the same track as the rest of us ie. stop people such as a, j, m and everyone else that we KNOW are flaunting 'the system' from er.... flaunting 'the system'  

Idea correct, execution inefffective, PR complete rubbish Dave.

MUST do better.


They are trying to make a case of workers v shirkers but unfortunately it is far more complicated than that.  
The benefit system was introduced to prevent people falling into the appalling poverty that Eddie is awaysl to keen to lecture us about. However since the days of Thatcher it has been misused and abused by government as a way of winning popularity.

It should be remembered that in this day and age a vast no of people are on benefits. Not just those out work due to illness or unemployment, but also those fortunate enough to have a job probably have or do claim benefits of one sort or another eg family allowance or working tax credits.  

Maybe the government could look at job creation schemes, instead of benefit handouts, which pay a decent wage and give a level of training.
For instance how about fitting every rooftop in the UK with solar panels produced in government funded factories and fitted by the unemployed, who then earn a decent wage and generate local employment by their increased spending power.  Just a thought.

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