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stoob

Transport

"Pent" Sarge was on this one so I caught the next one.


Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

that must be an old blue and yellow Jones bus?  It really was the best route to Ebbw Vale and back. I found it invaluable when we moved to Ebbw Vale and I wanted to get back to Aber and Six Bells to see all my pals.  Shame it closed down.
But for me the railway line from Brynmawr to Newport is a romantic memory. Beechings head on a platter! Many lovely memories of standing on the platform at Six Bells Halt, specially the old steam trains with those chunky engines!
Anthony
stoob

AEW, Saturday morning pictures, Six Bells Halt to Abertillery then up the Palace to watch Zorro
stoob

Hi Anthony
Six Bells Halt, April 1962, with Vivian Pit in backgroud.
Had to omit me coming down from Barrels with a sack of spuds


Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Hi, stoob,
                    I am thrilled to bits to have this!!! Such memories.
Also love the one of the Jones bus outside the Cottonwood.
Many thanks!
Anthony
stoob

Anthony - bit strapped for time today I'll try and get hold of Haydn in the week he has a good collection of transport nostalgia.
jeffthomas

Transport

Do you remember "Winky"? He was the "stationmaster" at Six Bells Halt who used to cycle down the Cemetery Road from his home in Brynithel. I used to go to Hafodyddol school by train, and fondly remember Winky. If the weather was very cold, he used to let us go into the ticket office to warm up.
Happy memories.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Jeff, well, I don't remember Winky but my older brother Derek would - he also went to Nantyglo Grammar from 1948 till 1955 when Dr. Silk was Headmaster.  Were you there then or later?
Derek then went on to read Chemistry at Cardiff.  He was silly not to do his National Service first, in my opinion, because he had to do it afterwards! I think Dad might have told him that National Service might be abolished before he was called up!  Derek always resented the fact that I didn't have to do it - quite illogical, since hardly my fault, and he admitted he enjoyed most of it anyway!!
Do you remember how the engine coming up from Aberbeeg to Six Bells Halt always made much more noise than the engine going down to Newport. That really sticks in my memory.
Anthony
jeffthomas

Transport

Hi Anthony
Yes, I remember Derek, although he was older than me. I went to Hafodyddol from 1954-62. Mr. Silk was only Headmaster for my first year before Mr. Burton took over.
As far as the engines are concerned, I remember the steam coming from the funnel as the train came round the tip in front of Victoria Road. If I was late for school, it was a sprint to get to the station before the train set off. No sweets from Buttons shop on those days!!!
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Jeff,
       Did most of those allocated to Hafodyddol travel by train up to Nantyglo?  And (maybe a silly question) did you all congregate on the platform at about 8.30am?  Or was there a school bus in those days? So that some went by train and some by bus.
It's not really to do with transport, but is it true that boys and girls who passed the 11+ in Six Bells/Abertillery resented being sent up to Nantyglo? I remember Derek saying that I "was lucky" that I could still walk to school - ie. Abertillery Grammar!! He resented quite a bit about me (which is probably why we now don't even speak!!) - those 2 particular things, that I was lucky enough to go to Aber Grammar and secondly that I missed National Service.
Anyway, that railway line down to Newport was just brilliant. I recall, as a lad, going to Bracknell on several occasions, to stay with my aunt Betty (dad's sister who also went to Abertillery Grammar) and a sort of exhilaration as the Newport bound train came in! Holidays, of course. I hope others will get pleasure from the photo that Stoob has posted.
Anthony
stoob

Hi guys can't place a "Winky" from Brynithel but remember the warm ticket office.
I Did know a "Winky" from Arrail Street, I used to see him in Jack Nadals buying something for the weekend. Being a fine upstanding Presbyterian lad I never understood it myself.
Henley's 1969, it's stopped so Jack Gould must have been driving.


jeffthomas

Transport

Hi Anthony
As I remember, those kids who passed the 11+ strongly went to Abertillery Grammar. Those who also passed, but not as highly, went to Hafodyddol. My dad's family originally lived in Blaina, so they thought that Hafodyddol was THE school to go to. Despite passing the 11+ strongly, I had to carry on the family tradition, so went to Hafodyddol. In the first few years, the few of us from Six Bells ( Colin Jarrett, Derek Lewis, Pat Griifiths, etc) all went to school by train. But, as a result of Dr. Beeching's axe, the line closed and we all ended up going by bus.
Stoob's photo of Six Bells station was brilliant......it seems like a different world then, but they were great times.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Jeff,
          What you say seems to imply that Hafodyddol was a less academic school than Abertillery (??) which I can't think was the case.
How did you hear about passing the 11+ strongly or less strongly, and thus going up to Nantyglo?
Not exactly transport related, but just a query!
Was there a fare concession for the train journey to school? I know that pupils from Cwm who went to Ebbw Vale Grammar went by a school bus which was paid by Monmouthshire Education Committee, so presumably your fares were paid too and you had a Pass.
Anthony
pent boy

transport

Hi Stoob, I think the bus was actually parked near Henllys garage as I think the building in the background is the Bridgend pub a hostelry that I was in last October during a Blaenau Gwent rugby reunion of sorts. Sarge was someone I have fond memmories of, always got on very well with him, I can still picture him with his great danes, they were as tall as him.If ever I caught a Jones bus Sarge always seemed to get on at some stage, and I caught a few in my time, Aber to Aberbeeg whilst working on the forestry, and Aber to Ebbw Vale as an Ebbw rugby suporter since 1958. My bus work was with Abers red and white depot and when they closed the western welsh in crosskeys, 28 years altogether. Did a couple of years in the office on Blaina station just before the line closed, and also did class one heavy goods driving during the final 15/20 years of my working life, so transport has played a massive part in my life as a whole.
stoob

Hi "Pent"
I can remember "Sarge's" Great Danes.
His actual name was Des Warren.
dragongirl

great danes

Hi stoob,
I remember the great Danes ,didnt he breed them at one time?
I recall seeing an article in one of the "Doggie papers" with a photo of a Champion he (or his wife )had bred. The dog looked taller than him!!
lovely to see the old photos of buses etc.
stoob

Believe he did breed them himself but not sure about his champion.
There's a story on him in the Aberbeeg and Llanhilleth book.
He was demobed from the army in 1947, but Jones's didn't have any uniforms for their staff so he was obliged to dye his military clothing navy blue. Unfortunately his sergeants stripes left a permanent mark on his jacket and hence "Sarge of the buses was born!
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Had "Sarge"  been an Army Seargent then? Otherwise, why the name. And why did you wait for the next bus if he got on?!!
A
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Sorry, Stoob,
       I posted last message before reading the one above with the answer!  But you still have to tell us why you avoided his bus!!
A
stoob

He was the inspector, and not everone paid on the Ninian Park special.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

nice one!!
Have only just received my London Freedom Pass - and that really is the one worth having because of the Underground. It is 4 to go just one stop on the tube!  It also covers suburban railways, and when going to my old mum in Southampton I don't pay until the train gets beyond Surbiton. So that, plus senior railcard, and no longer paying National Insurance has made it well worth while being 60! But I still look 45!
A
welshlizmiles

Not all the conductors on Jones' buses took the fares off teenage girls so the sight of Sarge boarding a bus was sometimes worrying if you were one of the ones who hadn't paid. This was in the days of handwritten tickets - I seem to remember that the fare stages were written on with a scrawled R for return, I think Aberbeeg to Abertillery was stage 14 to 19. I remember one driver, name withheld, accidently left his conductor at the bus depot on Warm Turn, we told him when we were getting off on Park Terrace and watched with amazement as he reversed all the way back up the hill to pick up the conductor!!
stoob

Liz, similar story on the Ninian Park Special as some of the fans would give the conductor a percentage of the fare and say no ticket.
Sarge normally appeared around Cross Keys on the return journey
to inspect the tickets the fans somehow mislaid in the ground.
Great times.
stoob

Anthony / Martyn


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Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

well, it might be a Colliers bus - a model I didn't know??
Do you remember the other old model I mentioned? The "pointy nose" one.
When last in Aber I found it difficult to work out the bus schedules. Just no longer being local, I suppose.
A
pent boy

bus colours

Hi stoob, wouldnt be 100% sure but I do believe that would be one of the Griffin buses. They were based in Brynmawr and ran the same routes as Ralphs buses who were from Abertillery. They were both later taken over by the red and white bus company and merged. I worked as a conductor in Aber 1962 untill the depot in Carlsle street closed.
pent boy

bus colours

Its definately not a "ralphs" as they had cream in their livery.
stoob

Pent

Look at the number plate and then look at the Henley's on the previous page, weird.
pent boy

buses

The most obvious answer to the riddle is that Arthur Henley bought the bus from another company and changed the livery colours, perhaps it wasnt a griffin after all, interesting.
X P O P

welshlizmiles wrote:
Not all the conductors on Jones' buses took the fares off teenage girls so the sight of Sarge boarding a bus was sometimes worrying if you were one of the ones who hadn't paid. This was in the days of handwritten tickets - I seem to remember that the fare stages were written on with a scrawled R for return, I think Aberbeeg to Abertillery was stage 14 to 19. I remember one driver, name withheld, accidently left his conductor at the bus depot on Warm Turn, we told him when we were getting off on Park Terrace and watched with amazement as he reversed all the way back up the hill to pick up the conductor!!

Indeed you are right Liz,
Both Jones and Colliers used to have handwritten tickets from a Ticket machine called a BellGraphic (bellpunch co;ltd;London) the fare stages and price of journey all done by hand with a box for Single or Return
Abertillery was 19 Cwmtillery was 21 , Cwm Hotel 23, Six Bells 24 Brynithel was 26  , don't have a clue as to 25 lol, Henleys used a machine called an Ultimate and issued tickets similar to those when you went to the cinema only smaller. When Jones was taken into the National Bus Company they switched to the machines used by Red &White called  "Setright".
some of the names I remember on all buses , Mary and Cath sisters from Cwmtillery on  Colliers  with Jack and Len, Henleys took over Colliers early 70's , Pat , Maud , Brenda ,  Ray, Martin, Malcolm on  Henleys , Mrs Knight  and Mrs Allen,  Jacky Barrigton and John Mason, Eric, Ken, Ray on Jones.
MTG 884 is an old AEC Regal 1/2 cab can't identify the livery in the coloured pic  but obvious Henleys had bought it second hand .
The bull nosed buses mentioned are the old Bedford O B Vehicles, had very much a coach style interior and carried only about 31 seated guess many of us can also remember people hanging out of the doors when the buses were full in those days.
stoob

Great info, I remember Mrs. Allen, Jack Gould, Albert Prior.
Went on the supposedly express Stagecoach service X15 the other day, hopefully no repeat in the distant future.
cowpat

TRANSPORT

Henleys Bus   REG  No  MTG 884,  AEC  R1  111 9621A1554
                                  BODY,  B35F.  NEW  3/53.
 NEW TO  GELLIGAER UDC 11,12/68
              G..SULLIVAN, LONDON (P) -/73.
        Hope this helps.  cowpat.
stoob

Ex Ralphs I assume  ????

Haydn

Early Red & White

stoob wrote:
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This is in fact a Bristol MW6G, Number DS758 in early R&W livery with reg number SWO 986 the photo was taken at the 2009 Cobham bus rally at Wisley
Hi guys....after some time off the forum and losing info on a stolen laptop I am back trying to collate some info on Monmouthshire buses, in particular the Ralphs and R&W who paid my dad for most of my youth!
I have too much time on my hands so if you have a particular problem to solve maybe I can help?
arethaire

Bus Drivers

Hi Haydn
My Father also drove buses for Ralph's, Red & White, Jones, Henleys & Tillery Court ... Eric Bridgman.
Jim Nicholas

An interesting discussion. I lived in Cwm Cottage Road and usually walked to the County School but a bus from the War Memorail cost 2p (1p new money). If I walked to Church Street it was 1p and I would have 1p to join with a mate to buy  5 Woodbines for 2p. I left school in 1940 and became a bank clerk in Brynmawr with a salary of 1 per week, paying 2 shillings(10p) for a weekly ticket to Brynmawr.
stoob

Transport

Ralphs had 157 employees in 1953.
Haydn

a couple of memories for you

Jones bus just before Cottonwood stop circa 1970
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Haydn

Cant read the destination board but I believe this is a Ralphs somewhere in Abertillery.
Haydn

No mistakes with this one. It a Jones at the Cottonwood stop. Single colour livery suggests circa 1980/1
stoob

Transport

First two Henley's, bottom of Commercial Street and Oxford Street.
NICHOLAS STEVENS

transport

I remember when i lived in brynithel our school bus driver was called archie. always enjoyed the run to and from gelli crug school..
john gibbs

My uncle was involved with Jones buses, along with his brothers.
I used to keep pestering him to get me one of those ticket machines but I guess they were simply too expensive to give away but he gave me a ticket punch in lieu.
All hope of one vanished when G-AKBY bought the farm.
I was later privileged to visit my aunt just prior to her death some decades afterwards when she mistook me for her late husband.
It was a meeting and conversation that will remain with me whilst I draw breath.
stoob

matchy

Hi

Was this taken at Aberbeeg ?
stoob

Transport

Yes mate, 1958 I believe.
stoob

Transport

Ivorites pub left pictured in 1961.
Believe Albert Francombe was the last landlord in 1965.


matchy

Aberbeeg

Thank you for your reply Stoop Great pics by the way love them bring back some great memories
matchy

ops sorry Stoob
stoob

Transport

Last two were Rita Taylor-Pocock postcards, put some more on when I have 5 minutes.
stoob

Transport

Llanhilleth 1961, a Rita Taylor-Pocock postcard.


stoob

Transport

Aberbeeg Signal Box, a Rita Taylor-Pocock postcard.


Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

Dear Stoob,
I wonder if you could possibly find a picture of a train arriving at/or leaving Six Bells Halt. That would bring back lovely memories.
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Six Bells Halt is on page one, minus a train.
If I can find one yes along with Abertillery.
Back to the buses shortly.
Anthony Earl-Williams

Abertillery Grammar School

No, Stoob, I did see the staff photo. Excellent. Dragon girl also liked it.  Thanks.
Arthur Handy (my second cousin) looking his usual grim self!
A very nice photo of Fan Evans, Miss James and Mrs Mounter. My life long interest in Latin came from Mrs Mounter who was a brilliant teacher. In her Christmas letter to me, Drac (Yvonne Roberts) said some nice things about Mrs Mounter - not least that she was a "thoroughly GOOD woman". Yvonne lives in Harrogate with her son and his family. She has very fond memories of the Grammar.
Do you know who the other women teachers in the photo are?
Anthony
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

my last post about the school photo was intended to go to the Grammar School thread.  I did write "Grammar School" as the topic!
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Edited my last sentance, suggest you delete your last two posts.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

have asked Admin to transfer it to the proper place, and waiting to hear from them.
stoob

Transport

Victoria Road, Six Bells, 1908. A tad before the Brynithel Road or Six Bells Halt.


Anthony Earl-Williams

Transport

Stoob,
  this is a lovely photo. Thank you.
It reminds me very much of the 1960s when my great aunt, Flo, lived in Victoria Road. Every year I went for a holiday by train, to Bracknell, to stay with dad's sister Betty. She had also gone to Abertillery Grammar, but married a Reading boy during the War, and moved away. Anyway, Aunty Flo always knew the train time from Six Bells Halt, and used to stand in the front bedroom window waving like mad with a large scarf as the train went past! She sometimes came to Bracknell the following week herself, as her sister, my grandmother, was by then living there with her daughter.
Do you think the engine in the photo is shunting up to Six Bells, or going on to Aberbeeg? Can't quite tell. And is it stationary with somebody standing outside for the photo?  Where did you find it?
And do please find some more!!
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Picture is in one of the five Abertillery books, probably the Abertillery and Six Bells one, believe it was the fourth one printed.
A coloured version was also on the 2012 Abertillery calendar.
Apparently you could get a return to Penarth and a return on the steamer to Weston Super Mare for a 1 and a tanner, as late as 1961.
I've got an electoral list for the occupants of Victoria Road in 1956, no Flo or Florence on that list though.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

Flo wasn't there in 1956; she came back to Six Bells from Yorkshire in 1960. Incidentally, her husband Ebeneezer Rogers was an engine driver. Flo had been a school mistress in Abertillery and gave up her career for love!  Her parents were not pleased. Anyway she and Ebeneezer lived up in Hellifield, Yorkshire till he died quite young. Of course engine drivers were highly respected - the pinacle of a railway career, as you know, Stoob.  He was a Yorkshire man but had been based for a couple of years in Abertillery. He and Flo met in church! She was always very interested in "trains" and steam engines.
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Traffic congestion on Victoria Road in 1915.


Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

Stoob,
I don't know about traffic congestion, but I vividly remember leaving aunty Flo's, and every time taking my (young then!) life into my hands by running across the road, trying to avoid the traffic. Of course, there is no pavement on the houses' side. I wonder how older people managed. It was genuinely dangerous. Is there a zebra crossing there now?
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Didn't notice a crossing passing through this week. Houses look fine but don't think there's 38 of them there now. Pavement side is an eyesore trees and ivy rampant from the Hotel to Aberbeeg. Can only see the monument from that side of the valley a couple of months in a year and not going to change under this authority.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

I thought there was an iron fence on the pavement side which overlooked the colliery. Ivy can of course be pretty so I can't quite envisage what you mean, stoob!  Will be certain to inspect when I come later in early summer. If the residents don't like it they should get a group together and tackle it themselves (like people down in Arael Street did when they got together and tidied up the river) then send the bill to the local authority! But is there no tree department at B.G.? They are surely legally obliged to keep trees etc in good order.
If the railway is extended up to Abertillery, how near the Miner will it have to pass?  I suppose there is no track there at all now?
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Yes, we remove the weeds and nettles up our place and side step the dogs mess. "Council obligated, falls off of the chair in hysterics."
I've had a party wall down because of Ivy, so I'm not a fan.
stoob

Transport

Collier brothers who were originally from Clutton in Somerset, they were also garage proprietors in King Street and had a cycle shop in Somerset Street.


Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

This is nice, stoob. It is the lovely bus which I remember when we lived in Richmond Road. It used to go up and down Bryngwyn Road, and then round to Windsor Road, as you know. We used to go out of the back garden gate to catch it. I remember being very upset when they brought in a newer model!! I still remember the smell of the seats.
When did Collier's vanish? I presume they now have.
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Brothers all gone, believe the cycle shop went first, then the buses and the M O T centre last, try and find out when they sold the centre on King Street.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

is there still a "local" bus that follows that route from Six Bells up to Cwmtillery, via Richmond Road?
stoob

Transport

Henley's still goes hourly via Richmond Road to Brynithel, but no Sunday service.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

does it then go back up to Cwmtillery?
Am coming for a week early summer. It'd be helpful to know!!
stoob

Transport

Yes it still does the Cwmtillery route.
stoob

Transport

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Transport

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stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

Bus inspector and great dane breeder Des Hillman.


stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

This Griffin bus never made it to Abertillery in 1923.


stoob

Transport

14 of the 35 miners on board were treated at Blaina Hospital but no fatalities.


Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

Stoob,
As you mention 35 miners on board, I can only think that this Griffin bus must have been connected with the Arael-Griffin Colliery at Six Bells. Is this so? Was it an "ordinary", local bus or was it transport to Six Bells Colliery, arranged by the mine owners? Though I suppose that seems unlikely, somehow!
Do you know how the accident happened - and exactly where?
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Believe the Griffin Motor Company at Brynmawr was founded in 1921.
The bus hit a pothole and it wrecked the steering mechanism between Blaina and Abertillery. Possibly more than one colliery destination.
stoob

Transport

Leslie Webb and two female members of the brewery family in the early 1920's


stoob

Transport

This Webb's steam powered wagon didn't make it either.


stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

martyn142

Got the hang of Photobucket I see  Wink
stoob

Transport

Should re-size them, but mega problems before so best left for now.
stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

Ralph's on Division Street.


stoob

Transport

Ralph's in Church Street with driver Bill Smith and conductor Billy Parfitt.


stoob

Transport

stoob

Transport

"Mountain Ash", used by Abertillery Water Board.


Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

Stoob,
Why would the water board use a steam engine?
Anthony
stoob

Transport

Seven industrial locomotives used on the construction of Grywne Fawr Reservoir.
Anthony Earl-Williams

transport

where is that reservoir?
stoob

Transport

It was in Brecknockshire, in 1912, and the station used was Llanvihangel which was on the Abergavenny to Hereford line. The site was 10 miles from the station and they used horses and traction engines to haul materials. It was considered unsatisfactory and a railway was constructed between Lower Cwmyoy and Blaen-Y Cwm, about a mile from the site.
Water Board took it over from the Underwood brothers in 1916, I believe.
Believe it opened in 1928 and the railway and workers village at Blaen-Y-Cwm were dismantled the following year.
Believe it's in Powys these days.
stoob

Transport

"Dukinfield" at Grwyne Fawr, the Underwood brothers were from Dukinfield in Cheshire.



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