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Eddie legge

Welsh Language in crises

2011 census will revel the changing face of Wales; fall in Welsh speakers is ‘crises’
For language, Campaigners warn
Even in the Welsh speaking heartlands only 56% said they could speak read and write Welsh and they still want STOP sign in Welsh
The lowest was in Blaenau Gwent, where 88% described themselves as having no skills in Welsh
I repeat I am not anti Welsh Language however would someone please tell us what can be done that hasn’t already been done to promote bilingualism in Wales
In Blaenau Gwent for example the facilities now in place for welsh speakers are not being used
The Welsh Language Commissioner, Meri Huws described the news as a shock
Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood said “We must ensure that Welsh is used not just in the classroom but in the home, at work, and in social situations, right across the country
I have already asked in Western Mail when elected why the new leader of Plaid Leanne Wood was the first Plaid leader not able to speak Welsh and that after 13 or more years as a Plaid AM
Back to Blaenau Gwent since losing the heavy industry that gave us unhealthy but well paid jobs for my own and fathers generation and when considering we are today one of the poorest  authorities in Wales should we as asked do more to promote a Language in decline
Eddie legge
Saeson

Re: Welsh Language in crises

Eddie legge wrote:
2011 census will revel the changing face of Wales; fall in Welsh speakers is ‘crises’
For language, Campaigners warn
Even in the Welsh speaking heartlands only 56% said they could speak read and write Welsh and they still want STOP sign in Welsh
The lowest was in Blaenau Gwent, where 88% described themselves as having no skills in Welsh
I repeat I am not anti Welsh Language however would someone please tell us what can be done that hasn’t already been done to promote bilingualism in Wales
In Blaenau Gwent for example the facilities now in place for welsh speakers are not being used
The Welsh Language Commissioner, Meri Huws described the news as a shock
Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood said “We must ensure that Welsh is used not just in the classroom but in the home, at work, and in social situations, right across the country
I have already asked in Western Mail when elected why the new leader of Plaid Leanne Wood was the first Plaid leader not able to speak Welsh and that after 13 or more years as a Plaid AM
Back to Blaenau Gwent since losing the heavy industry that gave us unhealthy but well paid jobs for my own and fathers generation and when considering we are today one of the poorest  authorities in Wales should we as asked do more to promote a Language in decline
Eddie legge


Oh, Eddie it took you over 24 hours, but I knew you wouldn`t be able to resist in the end.  Wink

Yes it is rather disappointing for language campaigners and says a lot about the Welsh Government`s strategy over the last ten years. Unfortunately for them Welsh medium education is not the bee all end end all they seem to believe it is. And allowing unfettered migration into Welsh speaking areas does not say much for a body supposedly committed to `saving` the language. There needs to be some serious questions and some proper answers.

On the plus side, Welsh is no worse off than it was 20 years ago which is quite an achievement in the face of increasing migration (both in and out). It is also probably true to say that the rise in the figures last time around just didn`t add up and there should have been less crowing and more analysis of the detail at the time. However, I believe that in general more people nowadays are accepting of the language even when they don`t speak it.

And to turn to a couple of `pops` you just had to make, I presume `they` is Llandwrog Community Council; hardly the barometer of Welsh language public opinion. As for Leanne Wood, she does speak Welsh - just to spite you I`m sure - although I don`t know why you think she should
Eddie legge

What would Rocke have said

Leanne Wood as reported and not chalenged is the first Plaid leader not able to speak Welsh I didnt say she should  
I couldent give a dam either way
Welsh speakers are moving out English speakers moving in and you want something done about it What may I ask
Saeson

Re: What would Rocke have said

Eddie legge wrote:
Leanne Wood as reported and not chalenged is the first Plaid leader not able to speak Welsh I didnt say she should  
I couldent give a dam either way
Welsh speakers are moving out English speakers moving in and you want something done about it What may I ask


Eddie, Eddie, as coherent as ever  Wink If you don`t give a damn then why do you say  you " have already asked in Western Mail...."? Next time, have a squiz at YouTube and you`ll find the lovely Leanne speaking Welsh. All by herself. You`ll be amazed  Cool . And to think you could have saved yourself the cost of a stamp.  Crying or Very sad

And I didn`t say I wanted something done about anything; I simply made a comment or two. Sorry  Rolling Eyes . You really should start to properly read what people write
Eddie legge

Come off it Saeson

From an interview  with Leanne Wood who said the following I could imagine Plaid Cymru being led at some point in the future by someone who did not speak Welsh
I rarely use the Welsh Language   myself in my day-to –day work so in some senses you could argue that they already have a non Welsh-speaking Leader, and  as reported the first female and the first non- fluent Welsh speaker to lead the party
I repeat after 13 years as a Plaid AM Leanne Wood has only recently started to learn the Welsh Language
And she wants the language used as often as possible in work at home and in ones everyday life
When the Welsh Assembly was broadcast live on many occasions a Plaid AM would speak only in Welsh Leanne Wood never did
There is talk now about investing more in the Welsh Speaking heartlands in order to stop welsh speakers leaving
martyn142

What about these interesting stats from the same Census for Blaenau Gwent?

- 40% of residents had NO qualifications ( academic or vocational i.e. not even one GCSE ).

- 30% of residents did not possess a passport

As a reminder, this was a 2010 census, a year after the Tories and their lap-dog partners got into power.

What a terrible indictment of over a decade of Labour rule for the UK as a whole and a decade of Labour/Labour-led coalition Welsh Assembly governments.

Nye Bevan must be spinning in his grave.  Embarassed
Eddie legge

Martyn you couldn’t resist having a go at Eddie Legge again
Was your labour bashing comments made from your place of work?  
However as a non member or supporter of any political party I don’t
Really listen to all you have to say
Our main concern at the present is not the decline in Welsh Language speakers, but the many thousands of families who shall be worse off financially when the Tories new welfare reforms are introduced next April,
Why may I ask when people are struggling to live  now and with worse to come  should money still be wasted duplicating every road sign and government documents into Welsh
Ian Jones

http://www.welshlabour.org.uk/uploads/welsh-labour-manifesto.pdf

Scroll down to a picture of a sign on a health centre.

Eddie you may also wish to write to the Western Mail asking why money is being wasted on this type of sign.

I'd buy the paper just to see the reply  Smile
Saeson

So Eddie, lover of coal mining, Nye Bevan, the War and everything else pre-Thatcher is suddenly concerned about the present?

I think Martin`s point, in case you missed it, is that 90% of the period since the last census was under a Labour Government and what has Blaenau Gwent got to show for it? Not a lot it would seem. If the Labour party couldn`t manage to bring a bit of prosperity to this area when they were in power then it`s a bit naive to think they`ll be much use now.

And we can all play the numbers game: "how many schools could we build with the money we spend on the Welsh langage?" blah, blah. Add to that the money we spend on museums, the Royal Family, foreign aid, Trident and the rest and we could all retire  Rolling Eyes
Eddie legge

Thanks to labour

Let us not forget that after 4 years under an Independent authority in Council Chamber Ebbw Vale MP at Westminster and AM Cardiff Bay, Blaenau Gwent is back with labour
The electorate doesn’t go along with those who will criticise labours past and present they know who best to trust with their future  
The loss of heavy industry in Blaenau Gwent was a bitter blow to all Having said that One cannot deny the progress made under a labour authority, Development of the former steel works site the redevelopment of town centres, the Ebbw Valley rail link Cwm by Pass and the dulling of heads of valley roads
Another plus along with free prescriptions and free bus passes for the elderly my wife and I included was the good news about the £12m investment in new accommodation for the elderly
After much ado labours strategy for the elderly to be living independently in the 21st century was adopted by those who originally opposed it
Ian Jones

Re: Thanks to labour

Eddie legge wrote:
Let us not forget that after 4 years under an Independent authority in Council Chamber Ebbw Vale MP at Westminster and AM Cardiff Bay, Blaenau Gwent is back with labour
The electorate doesn’t go along with those who will criticise labours past and present they know who best to trust with their future  
The loss of heavy industry in Blaenau Gwent was a bitter blow to all Having said that One cannot deny the progress made under a labour authority, Development of the former steel works site the redevelopment of town centres, the Ebbw Valley rail link Cwm by Pass and the dulling of heads of valley roads
Another plus along with free prescriptions and free bus passes for the elderly my wife and I included was the good news about the £12m investment in new accommodation for the elderly
After much ado labours strategy for the elderly to be living independently in the 21st century was adopted by those who originally opposed it


And this affects the Welsh language how exactly ?
If you did click the link to see the photo you will notice that it was a part of the "Welsh" Labour manifesto, wherein there was no mention of the Welsh language by "Welsh" Labour!!
Eddie legge

Ian The Health Centre sign is very unusual and I very much doubt if were to be seen any where other than where it stands today
Was it because I mentioned Western Mail in my posting about Stop sign that you had to mention Health Centre sign
Having said that you must have for reasons known only to your self wanted to read about Labours Manifesto
Martyn has turned my posting about Stop sign and the demise in welsh language in order to critises labour
Ian Jones

No Eddie, my reason for posting that sign was the following.
I was looking for facts (which i know you are very interested in) and I Googled to find "Welsh" Labours stance on the Welsh language, and also bi-lingual road signs i was surprised to see no mention of it in any context in the "Welsh" Labour manifesto.
Apollogies to you for  revealing the link to the manifesto, i had no idea you wished to keep it a secret.
And as your thread is supposedly about the Welsh language in crisis ( and not to have a pop at other Parties) i thought the sign tied in with it as you your self mentioned them.


Quote Eddie Legge

"Our main concern at the present is not the decline in Welsh Language speakers, but the many thousands of families who shall be worse off financially when the Tories new welfare reforms are introduced next April,
Why may I ask when people are struggling to live  now and with worse to come  should money still be wasted duplicating every road sign and government documents into Welsh" Unquote..

Finally Eddie you may have noticed i put inverted commas around "Welsh" when refering to the "Welsh" Labour party as they like to be known.
Why is it Eddie they call themselves the "Welsh" Labour party if they have no interest in the Welsh language whatsoever ?
They might just as well be called the Polish Labour Party as there are road signs in Wales with the Polish language on and a significant number of other Nationalities in our communities surely they have rights too.
I don't expect you are interested in this as your original post was nothing to do directly with the Welsh Language was it !!
cymrocymraeg123

Eddie - I have just saw this. I'm sure this is wonderful news for you. However, it didn't decline everywhere, Monmouthshire, Cardiff and Caerffili saw increases, as did some wards in the north-west. Neither did a decline, of any huge scale, occur in Gwynedd and Anglesey. There was also a small but not tiny increase in the number of children who can speak it, all things the Western Fail failed to report. The big story was Camarthen and Ceredigion. This can be turned around if something is done now, and not forgetting that there are still about 80,000 thousand more speakers than there were 20 years ago. It all depends which side of the fence your on.

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