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Carolyn

YOUR GUIDE TO THE 2012 ELECTION

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ABERTILLERY: Steve Bard, Independent; Ivor Beynon; Keith Chaplin, Labour; Nigel Daniels; John Taylor, Independent; Brian Urch, BNP.

BADMINTON: Glyn Biston, Labour; Clive Meredith, Independent; Andrew Page, Conservative; Bernard Price; Brian Scully, Labour.

BEAUFORT: James Anstee, Labour and Co-operative Party; Marco Carini, Independent; Terry Edwards, Independent; Michael O’Shea, Independent; Godfrey Thomas, Independent; David White, Labour and Co-operative Party.

BLAINA: Garth Collier; Des Hillman, Independent; Yvonne Lewis, Independent; Bob Pagett, Labour; Nicola Williams, Labour; Lisa Winnett, Labour.

BRYNMAWR: Nigel Boyd, Labour; Kevin Brown, Independent; Lyn Elias, Independent; Wayne Hodgins; John Hopkins, Independent; Barrie Sutton, Labour; Olwen Swales, Labour.

CWM: Keith Barnes, Independent; Keren Bender, Labour; Derrick Bevan, Labour.

CWMTILLERY: Graham Bartlett, Labour; Gill Clark; Delwyn Davies, Independent; Mark Edwards, Independent; David Rocke; Tim Sharrem, Labour; Dawson Taylor; Christine Tidey, Labour.

EBBW VALE NORTH: Derek Coughlin, Labour; Peter Fanner; Ann Lewis, Labour; Jenny Morgan, Labour; John Rogers; Don Wilcox.

EBBW VALE SOUTH: Brian Clements, Labour; Mostyn Lewis, Labour; Jonathan Millard; Richard Williams, Independent

GEORGETOWN: Keith Hayden, Labour; Brian Jones, Independent; John Morgan, Labour.

LLANHILLETH: Bill Adams, Independent; Mike Bartlett, Labour; Den Hughes; Neil Lawrence, Independent; Hedley McCarthy, Labour; Jim McIlwee, Labour; Lee Parsons, Independent.

NANTYGLO: Peter Baldwin, Labour; Malcolm Dally, Labour; Shirley Ford, Independent; John Mason, Independent; Aslam Raza; Ann Richards, Labour.

RASSAU: Gareth Davies, Independent; Phil Edwards; Sadie Ireland-Mossop, Labour; David Wilkshire, Labour; John Williams, Independent.

SIRHOWY: Malcolm Cross, Labour; Tony Gregory, Independent; Dennis Owens, Labour; Diane Rowberry, Labour; Brian Thomas, Independent.

SIX BELLS: Denzil Hancock, Independent; Mark Holland, Labour; Roy Lentle, Independent; Allan Thomas, Labour; Jim Watkins, Independent.

TREDEGAR CENTRAL AND WEST: Nita Hobbs, Labour; Mandy Moore, Independent; Jason Owen, Independent; Kenneth Sullivan, Plaid Cymru; Steve Thomas, Labour; Haydn Trollope, Labour; Bernard Willis, Labour.





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Ian

Is it me or does this list make it look as though Rocke is standing as a Labour candidate......new ploy Dai destroy from within   Laughing  Laughing
cowpat

YOUR GUIDE TO THE 2012 ELECTION

DAVID MAY HAVE A RED RAG BUT NOT A RED FLAG.  COWPAT.
Eddie legge

Rocke standing for labour

Carolyn when I read Gazette on Wednesday
iit did look as though Rocke was running for labour
The Argus Monday April 9
Rocke and a number of Independants  No party given
I am suprised you didnt notice the way it was published in
Gazette
You have insulted me in the past over .dots commers and spelling

Eddie Legge
Rocke

AAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ruth said this would happen !!!

At the risk of being so tongue-in-cheek as to be facetious might I point out 2 things:

1) ; - this is a semi-colon; (and so's that ) and

2) The Gazette has used it to indicate the end of one candidate's details and the beginning of another's.

I'm going to use part of Abertillery's declarations as an example:

Keith Chaplin, Labour; Nigel Daniels; John Taylor, Independent; Brian Urch, BNP.  

In list form it means:

Keith Chaplin, Labour
Nigel Daniels
John Taylor, Independent
Brian Urch BNP

(To all who are aware of the info I'm going to provide I'm not being condescending. There are some who might find it helpful).

You'll note that Nigel Daniels doesn't have a political description.
That's because you can now only use a prescribed - and registered - description of your political affiliation.
(It's because a few years back 'spoilers' were describing themselves as 'Real Labour', 'True Labour' and the like. It wasn't fair because those factions were nothing to do with Labour, and gave voters the wrong impression.
'Independent Labour' was also deemed unfair, because that was often used by people who had dissociated themselves from the party (or been thrown out of it ).
I've actually heard of an Independent Conservative but in the main the Labour Party was the worst affected.

We are a democracy and it shouldn't be allowed, and indeed it all got stopped.
Now you have to register a 'political description', the name of a political grouping etc. and it has to be approved and then - and only then - can you use it for election purposes.

People's Voice had to do it for the last election.

If you don't belong to a political party then 'Independent' is the only description you're allowed.
NOTE CAREFULLY that I've said 'the only one allowed'.
That's because you do not have to provide a description ie. you don't say 'I want to be a blank', you simply don't use one.

Right, let's get to 'my' list:

Mark Edwards, Independent; David Rocke; Tim Sharrem, Labour;  

That reads as:

Mark Edwards, Independent
David Rocke
Tim Sharrem, Labour.

Right, now I'll come clean - I forgot to put a description down.
I was going to stand as 'Conservative' since I'm as anti-Labour as you can get in some eyes.   Laughing

OK, it was a joke, but I can only explain further by making it.
A candidate cannot simply choose to stand under a description. If you wish to use a registered one then you have to have the permission of the 'registered organisation' for want of a better expression.
I'd therefore have had to have the blessing of the Welsh Conservatiives to describe myself thus and thereby commit the greatest electoral suicide you've ever seen.    Wink

I can only speak for myself when I explain why I haven't used 'Independent', and you should NOT assume that this applies to any other candidate. If you wish to know then ask them !!

Since Day 1 the local Labour mob has been trying to form a public perception that since Independents are individual then any person who becomes a member of a group of Independents together - especially a group that ends up running the council - cannot be truly independent, and hence in some way have been um.... economic with the truth.

Moreover, Cllr Hillman's antics regarding 'real' independents has caused confusion in the public's mind.
I know, because I was asked 2 weeks ago if I was standing again.
I said I'd been asked to stand and they'd have the option of voting for me.
I was then asked 'are you standing as an Independent or an independent Independent'. Those of you lucky enough to get my manifesto will see the reply  Very Happy

I've therefore made the decision to leave it blank, on the basis that:

a) there isn't a person in Blaenau Gwent who'd believe I support Labour in its current configuration;
b) there isn't a person in the Aber area who believes I'm in the thrall of anyone. (I actually got called a 'loose cannon' the other week);
c) I couldn't get 'fiercely Independent' (or should that be 'fierce Independent' ?) on the Ballot Paper.  

(I have to say I'm getting good at this. I've turned a semi-colon into an election address !!)
Ian

Ok calm down...you could have just put fierce  Laughing
Rocke

Very Happy
Rocke

A couple of things people should note:

In Aber, 3 seats available, Labour have put up two, leaving my independent (deliberate small 'i') kindred spirits to ensure that the BNP doesn't have a free run ie. had no other individuals put up then Labour's failure to find 3 would have allowed the BNP in.

In Blaina 3 seats, and Labour have shipped one in from Cwm.

In Llan, from what I understand there seems to be a split, with the two current Labour councillors providing buffets for good events and the other candidate given no credit at all.
walesrocs

Rocke wrote:
A couple of things people should note:

In Aber, 3 seats available, Labour have put up two, leaving my independent (deliberate small 'i') kindred spirits to ensure that the BNP doesn't have a free run ie. had no other individuals put up then Labour's failure to find 3 would have allowed the BNP in.

In Blaina 3 seats, and Labour have shipped one in from Cwm.

In Llan, from what I understand there seems to be a split, with the two current Labour councillors providing buffets for good events and the other candidate given no credit at all.


I have lived in Abertillery all of my life and find it amazing that "rocke" feels the need to stop the BNP rather than focus on his own election.

I was fortunate enough to meet Mr. Brian Urch last Saturday, and can confirm he is a total gentleman with a heart for our area.

I'm going to vote for him on policies and effort that he has put forward.
Saeson

walesrocs wrote:
Rocke wrote:
A couple of things people should note:

In Aber, 3 seats available, Labour have put up two, leaving my independent (deliberate small 'i') kindred spirits to ensure that the BNP doesn't have a free run ie. had no other individuals put up then Labour's failure to find 3 would have allowed the BNP in.

In Blaina 3 seats, and Labour have shipped one in from Cwm.

In Llan, from what I understand there seems to be a split, with the two current Labour councillors providing buffets for good events and the other candidate given no credit at all.


I have lived in Abertillery all of my life and find it amazing that "rocke" feels the need to stop the BNP rather than focus on his own election.

I was fortunate enough to meet Mr. Brian Urch last Saturday, and can confirm he is a total gentleman with a heart for our area.

I'm going to vote for him on policies and effort that he has put forward.


Another one who thinks the BNP is just about "British jobs for British people". And a proper gent, to boot. *Swoon*  Rolling Eyes

Apparently, only two BNP candidates in the whole of Wales. Aren`t we blessed.  Wink
853 OKG

Shame the BNP got off to such a dodgey start. Their manifesto is what most people (secretly) feel would be good for Britain. They haven't had a chance to prove themselves, unlike the others who have proved  to be selfserving liars and cheats who pander to the wishes of everyone except the British people they should represent.
Rocke

walesrocs wrote:
Rocke wrote:
A couple of things people should note:

In Aber, 3 seats available, Labour have put up two, leaving my independent (deliberate small 'i') kindred spirits to ensure that the BNP doesn't have a free run ie. had no other individuals put up then Labour's failure to find 3 would have allowed the BNP in.

In Blaina 3 seats, and Labour have shipped one in from Cwm.

In Llan, from what I understand there seems to be a split, with the two current Labour councillors providing buffets for good events and the other candidate given no credit at all.


I have lived in Abertillery all of my life and find it amazing that "rocke" feels the need to stop the BNP rather than focus on his own election.

I was fortunate enough to meet Mr. Brian Urch last Saturday, and can confirm he is a total gentleman with a heart for our area.

I'm going to vote for him on policies and effort that he has put forward.


Hi walesrocs.

You have missed the point a bit, though not your fault really.
I was having my usual dig at Labour.

I was in school with Brian and I'm happy to say now (and probably stir everyone up) that I consider him a friend and would congratulate him if he gets elected AS LONG AS he does me the courtesy of not spouting BNP nonsense to me and ensures 'the boys' don't get a photo of me shaking his hand to use for political purposes.

If they do, I'll launch into them.
It'll make a change from Reds in the Bed to Fascists.
martyn142

853 OKG wrote:
Shame the BNP got off to such a dodgey start. Their manifesto is what most people (secretly) feel would be good for Britain. They haven't had a chance to prove themselves, unlike the others who have proved  to be selfserving liars and cheats who pander to the wishes of everyone except the British people they should represent.

If most people (secretly) feel the BNP's manifesto would be good for Britain, how come most people don't vote for them in a (secret) ballot?

It's a puzzle isn't it? Maybe most people aren't as easily duped by the new cloak of respectability the BNP has adopted as some people appear to be?
Hepworth

I've had 4 leaflets delivered by Mr Urch's team in the last few weeks and all 4 made sense.
I button holed him personally and to be honest, he seems to be the best candidate for me after our conversation.
His heart is in 'tillery and thats good enough for me.
(I'm heartedly sick of the self- interest displayed by many of the incumbents). I'm voteing for the man firstly, the party secondly.
Good luck Mr Urch, I know you won't let the left wing bullies get to you.
DavidLL

What a very sad day indeed it will be for Abertillery if it decides to vote for a BNP candidate. Look at our history and look to our future. In the 1910s, Abertillery was a shining beacon of protecting its Jewish community when some other towns had anti-semitic riots, it also took in a Jewish community in the second world war, it has welcomed immigrants and workers from Italy and beyond for well over a century. The world has global problems but turning on others who some feel are foreign is not the answer. Abertillery was built by people from rural Wales, the west of England and further afield. It produced people like Bryn Roberts, Thora Silverthorne, and Ness Edwards. They were not always right in some respects but they fought for a more equal world. Vote not with prejudice but with pride.
Ian

So which particular bit of Tillery is his heart in then?I think you'll find it's just his own. Bit rich using the word bully when comparing the left wing to the BNP.And if you think that the others are self serving,I can't see how you could think this candidate to be any different.I think you be better off forming an opinion outside the window of the elections when things are not being said just to get your vote.Vote with pride not prejudice yes but firstly try using your brain.  Rolling Eyes
Rocke

Hepworth wrote:
I've had 4 leaflets delivered by Mr Urch's team in the last few weeks and all 4 made sense.
I button holed him personally and to be honest, he seems to be the best candidate for me after our conversation.
His heart is in 'tillery and thats good enough for me.
(I'm heartedly sick of the self- interest displayed by many of the incumbents). I'm voteing for the man firstly, the party secondly.
Good luck Mr Urch, I know you won't let the left wing bullies get to you.


Hello Hepworth.

This is a neutral comment, neither for nor against your post.
I think you've raised an interesting point which our readers might like to consider.

Would 'Urchy' have got the same attention, and thus his message to a wide audience, if he'd have stated 'Independent' on his Nomination Form?

I ask this because I haven't seen another candidate named or the subject of a thread on here.

And I'll add one more:

Is it what a councillor does or their politics that is the deciding factor ?
Suppose I got re-elected and then joined the BNP ?

You've raised a very interesting point !
martyn142

It would be nice if, just once, a BNP supporter, or member for that matter, would speak the truth and say "It's the BNP for me because I'm a racist".

I'm voting for the man first and the pary second my ****.  Laughing
Hepworth

David.
I'm not interested in the past. All that concerns me is the future of my children and grandchildren. Mr Urch is for the people of Wales not the rest of the world.
Hepworth

Martyn.
Reflex abuse?
would you be a left winger by any chance?
It's still a Democracy in case you hadn't noticed.
Hepworth

Mr Rocke.
"I haven't seen another candidate named or the subject of a thread on here".
Are you saying you're not standing this time then? Was it not YOU who introduced the name "Urch" into this forum? Was it another "Urch" you refered to?
Saeson

Hepworth wrote:
David.
I'm not interested in the past. All that concerns me is the future of my children and grandchildren. Mr Urch is for the people of Wales not the rest of the world.


I`m sure he has the best interests of Abertillery at heart. Don`t they all  Rolling Eyes

I would be interested know how his vision for Blaenau Gwent fits with the policies of the BNP. Local elections they may be, but there should be some connection with the policies of the party he`s standing for. Which one`s are his favourites I wonder? The back-to-where-you-came-from one? The flog `em and hang `em one? My favourite is the let`s-leave-the-EU one, cos I know the rest of the world is just dying to buy our goods and services.

Unfortunately I haven`t been as lucky as you on the leaflet front. Not a single one  Crying or Very sad
Hepworth

Saeson.
I'm not sure if your post was a dig at Mr Urch or not,but- If it was, you may have missed the irony. If one of the main 3 parties-(one in reality) implimented the polices you quoted they would win the next GE with a massive majority, so not an effective post really was it?
Please remember, Mr Urch is the only "Right wing" candidate on offer here so you would be a fool to discount his chances..
Hepworth

Mr Rocke.
"there's a period before an election whereby seemingly political comment or anythign that could be used to influence an election result cannot be published".
Perhaps you could inform me as to when this period applies to this election?
(The above quote is from a previous posting of yours).
stoob

Hi Guys

Do you THINK 35% of the electorate will vote???????????????
Saeson

Hepworth wrote:
Saeson.
I'm not sure if your post was a dig at Mr Urch or not,but- If it was, you may have missed the irony. If one of the main 3 parties-(one in reality) implimented the polices you quoted they would win the next GE with a massive majority, so not an effective post really was it?
Please remember, Mr Urch is the only "Right wing" candidate on offer here so you would be a fool to discount his chances..


Well you rumbled me there and no mistake  Shocked  Yes it was a dig at Mister Urch (why so formal?). I think you may have missed the subtlety.

If they`re such sure-fire vote winners why haven`t the other parties picked them up (though I suspect some Tories would like to)? More importantly why are the BNP such a minor force in British politics what with their popular policies and all? And why are they fielding just two candidates across the whole of Wales? And why do you think he is the only "right wing" candidate?
Hepworth

Marine Le Pen.
Think on that Saeson.
The establishment (yourself included though you may not realise) have demonised all un-PC thought. In the last 4 weeks i've researched the BNP and find them lacking in certain respects but patriotism and concern for your own is paramount. The Labour leader of the Welsh assembly has stated that Wales will in effect be the dumping ground for the "aslylum seekers of the world".
Do you think that the Abertillery can take a further drop in living standards? Aren't we on the breadline now?
The Front National are your worst nightmare. You know it's coming your way.
(I've been a- political until recently and if I were 40 years younger would put myself forward as a Nationalist candidate at every opportunity).
(I'm being slightly disengenuous by saying i'm a-political I actually joined the Labour party about 50 years ago, when they were a party that stood for the working class. more fool me).
How many "Independents" can honestly say they are not influenced by a certain party?
Hepworth

Saeson.
"why haven`t the other parties picked them up" (policies).
The reason is that "other" parties don't exist. there is only one. The one that is only interested in globalism. That is why Labour did zilch for the valleys and the Tories will do less.
We need a drastic change.
Any party that will stand by me is the one i'll vote for.
Are you affiliated to one of the big 3 Saeson?
Saeson

Hepworth wrote:
Marine Le Pen.
Think on that Saeson.
The establishment (yourself included though you may not realise) have demonised all un-PC thought. In the last 4 weeks i've researched the BNP and find them lacking in certain respects but patriotism and concern for your own is paramount. The Labour leader of the Welsh assembly has stated that Wales will in effect be the dumping ground for the "aslylum seekers of the world".
Do you think that the Abertillery can take a further drop in living standards? Aren't we on the breadline now?
The Front National are your worst nightmare. You know it's coming your way.
(I've been a- political until recently and if I were 40 years younger would put myself forward as a Nationalist candidate at every opportunity).
(I'm being slightly disengenuous by saying i'm a-political I actually joined the Labour party about 50 years ago, when they were a party that stood for the working class. more fool me).
How many "Independents" can honestly say they are not influenced by a certain party?


When I work out the connection between French presidential candidates and local elections in Blaenau Gwent, I`ll let you know.

There is a world of difference between "un-PC" and the racist policies of the BNP. Perhaps your research should have taken you further than their glossy website and a cosy handshake in the High Street.
Hepworth

Saeson.
Instead of the usual establishment bullSh**t would you please answer my points?
It seems to me you are nothing but an extension of the claptrap that will keep Wales in a state of penury.
What's wrong with looking after your own? The rest of the world does. Why don't you and your kind?
(I would imagine you had Socialists as your tutors). Am I wrong?
Am I being too logical for you?
The Marine Le Pen reference as I thought I made plain is the will of the "normal" people telling the establishment enough is enough.It's heading your way. I ask again. Are you affiliated to a political party?
martyn142

Hepworth wrote:
Martyn.
Reflex abuse?
would you be a left winger by any chance?
It's still a Democracy in case you hadn't noticed.

It is a democracy yes. No one has prevented you saying your piece have they? What on earth are you moaning about?

And you'll find everyone is a left-winger if you support an extreme right wing rabble like the BNP.  Embarassed
Saeson

Hepworth wrote:
Saeson.
Instead of the usual establishment bullSh**t would you please answer my points?
It seems to me you are nothing but an extension of the claptrap that will keep Wales in a state of penury.
What's wrong with looking after your own? The rest of the world does. Why don't you and your kind?
(I would imagine you had Socialists as your tutors). Am I wrong?
Am I being too logical for you?
The Marine Le Pen reference as I thought I made plain is the will of the "normal" people telling the establishment enough is enough.It's heading your way. I ask again. Are you affiliated to a political party?


There`s no need to be rude. And your style seems awfully familiar  Wink . Have you been on here before?

What you actually wrote was: "Marie Le Pen. Think on that Saeson". How you think this statement "made it plain" is beyond me. And how is it significant? Her father went one better and made it through to the second round of the French presidential elections 10 years ago. She`ll be an also-ran next time around, just as he was.

There is nothing wrong with looking after your own and I have said nothing to the contrary as well you know. What is wrong, however, are the blatantly racist policies of the BNP whose candidate you say you are going to support next week. May I presume that you also support the party`s policies?

As to my affiliations; if you mean am I a member of a political party the answer is no I am not. Are you?
stoob

As Fred Kite once said " My politics is a matter between my conscience and the ballot box" or in my case the royal mail.
Rocke

Hepworth wrote:
Mr Rocke.
"I haven't seen another candidate named or the subject of a thread on here".
Are you saying you're not standing this time then? Was it not YOU who introduced the name "Urch" into this forum? Was it another "Urch" you refered to?


That's my point.
I'm obviously named on here and I originally mentioned Urchy.
If Brian wasn't BNP, would he have got a mention ?

I might as well add another now then - no-one's said anything about Ivor Beynon have they?
And then no-one's commented about Keith and Dickie.
And I haven't seen Nigel, Steve or John mentioned anywhere.

It's the 'BNP' bit that's stimulated it all, not the 'Brian Urch' part.

If he is successful will the media spotlight fall on BG because Brian Urch has been elected ?
If we could somehow see the effect of party names on candidates' votes would mine go up or down if I decided to stand for the BNP ?

Now, here's the biggy - would they go down or down if I stood as a Conservative ?

Anyway. I bet there's a larger turnout than usual in Abertillery on Thursday.
Hepworth

Of course. Taken for granted.
The problem is- Brian is the only candidate you have slated on this site.
As a sitting candidate how does that equate with your "Independant"  status?
Why would you agree with Brian on every policy when you met him last week and yet rubbish him here?
You seem to be nothing more than an an extension of the establishment, getting by on a bit of eliquence.
Try a bit of truth. Nobody can accuse the BNP of lying, no matter how much you might disagree with their aims, which are the most honourable aims of any British/Welsh party.
Brian speaks the truth and that's something which is sadly lacking amongst our "rulers".
Ian

'no matter how much you might disagree with their aims, which are the most honourable aims of any British/Welsh party.'

Didn't you in another post use the words 'bullSh**t' and 'claptrap' well the above statement epitomises those pretty well.

This viewpoint is thankfully in the small minority,and even if by some miracle this candidate does get elected,it will stay there.He will be unable to exert any challenge to policy/decison making.
Hepworth

Ian wrote:
'no matter how much you might disagree with their aims, which are the most honourable aims of any British/Welsh party.'

Didn't you in another post use the words 'bullSh**t' and 'claptrap' well the above statement epitomises those pretty well.

This viewpoint is thankfully in the small minority,and even if by some miracle this candidate does get elected,it will stay there.He will be unable to exert any challenge to policy/decison making.
A bit of a campaign here is there? (Come on mate a Patriot's posting here, help me out)."If he gets elected"? It seems that you have a "cunning plan". Leave it to the electorate, They know their own minds better than you do.
As an aside, perhaps you would ask Rocke why as a sitting councilor he's posting against a candidate?
Ian

Fortunately I do know my own mind,and my own opinion which is what I gave on here.If I was a betting man I think I'd find the majority of the electorate are of the same opinion and we won't have to even consider the 'if' Rolling Eyes

As for the other point Rocke's quite capable of answering for himself,although suffice it to say on my behalf one candidate posting something against another in the run up to an election....never heard such a thing,never happened before.........oh my god I'm totally shocked by these tacticts.    Rolling Eyes
Hepworth

Ian wrote:
Fortunately I do know my own mind,and my own opinion which is what I gave on here.If I was a betting man I think I'd find the majority of the electorate are of the same opinion and we won't have to even consider the 'if' Rolling Eyes

As for the other point Rocke's quite capable of answering for himself,although suffice it to say on my behalf one candidate posting something against another in the run up to an election....never heard such a thing,never happened before.........oh my god I'm totally shocked by these tacticts.    Rolling Eyes
You're obviously "political" Or you wouldn't be on this forum Shocked? Don't be so silly, These are the tactics employed by ALL the parties. "Shocked"? Ha  Ha.
Ian

The shocked bit was supposed to be 'tongue in cheek'.if you wan't an insight into my feelings regarding politics read the signature at the bottom of my posts..........says it all as far asI'm concerned   Smile
Rocke

Hepworth wrote:
Of course. Taken for granted.
The problem is- Brian is the only candidate you have slated on this site.
As a sitting candidate how does that equate with your "Independant"  status?
Why would you agree with Brian on every policy when you met him last week and yet rubbish him here?
You seem to be nothing more than an an extension of the establishment, getting by on a bit of eliquence.
Try a bit of truth. Nobody can accuse the BNP of lying, no matter how much you might disagree with their aims, which are the most honourable aims of any British/Welsh party.
Brian speaks the truth and that's something which is sadly lacking amongst our "rulers".


Now now.
I haven't slated Brian on this site. Let's not start (mis)leading people.
I've been factual, I speak as I find and Brian is someone I talk to whenever we meet. I respect him as a person and he respects me. If we both get elected it'll be the same, and just as I lay into Labour Members that spout The Party's claptrap I'll lay into Brian's if he does.  
Unfortunately you've started to annoy me by doing what a lot seem to - being subjective and putting your words into my mouth, and in doing so setting yourself up for it.

Not many on here will think of me as any part of 'the establishment', let alone an extension of it.  

Why would you say I agree with every policy but rubbish him on here? Suirely the only way readers would know if I agree with every policy is if I said it on here, and then it would be incongruous to agree one thing and say another.

I don't get by 'on eliquence' either.
I was brought up in an age when 'chalky' and 'honkey' were terms of endearment, when education was education, and we spelt 'eliquence' as 'eloquence'.

As for 'Brian' speaking I'm afraid Leaflet No. 4 shows your party - for let's not beat about the bush you're the latest undercover agent to be exposed by moi - to be completely out of touch with reality.

Business Rates are determined by the WG, Brian as a Councillor couldn't do a thing about them.

You've stimulated some good conversation but in the end you've been found out.
I look forward to meeting you on Thursday.
martyn142

Hepworth wrote:
Nobody can accuse the BNP of lying


Fair play Hepworth, you've posted some comedy classics on here but this is my favourite  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Quite the comedian aren't you? Are you available for bar mitzvahs? Err, on second thoughts you probably aren't are you?  Rolling Eyes
Rocke

Hepworth wrote:
Ian wrote:
'no matter how much you might disagree with their aims, which are the most honourable aims of any British/Welsh party.'

Didn't you in another post use the words 'bullSh**t' and 'claptrap' well the above statement epitomises those pretty well.

This viewpoint is thankfully in the small minority,and even if by some miracle this candidate does get elected,it will stay there.He will be unable to exert any challenge to policy/decison making.
A bit of a campaign here is there? (Come on mate a Patriot's posting here, help me out)."If he gets elected"? It seems that you have a "cunning plan". Leave it to the electorate, They know their own minds better than you do.
As an aside, perhaps you would ask Rocke why as a sitting councilor he's posting against a candidate?


Examples please !

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