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Tchambuli9 · Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Location: BLAENAU GWENT

Correct. Any Councillor who stood claiming to be Independent of the socalled Independents should remain Independent so that they can represent us without being involved in secret GROUP MEETINGS. Embarassed

This is exactly what he was fighting against for goodness sake Rolling Eyes

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Morris Minor · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Posh part of town

Nobody but somersetsam has mentioned anything about his being part of any group, but I am sure he is going to need a little help along the way if he has numbskulls ringing him up over a bank holiday over something as banal as a problem with his Tidy Trev box lid, too lazy to sort things out for themselves. He certainly isn't the first and no doubt won't be the last, be it independent or Labour. Isn't that a fact Tchambuli9
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The Green Man · Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Location: abertillery

Seems to me some posters here know a lot about local politics and groups' meetings times etc. Must be very close to (or perhaps are) insiders methinks Exclamation

martyn142 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:53 am Post subject:

I take the point people are making about independents joining groups. However while I hope they retain their independence, if they don't get together at least until the executive is elected we will probably find that Labour will get all or most executive posts.

Labour will certainly sort out their voting and all vote for the same people. If the independents don't organise themselves and just vote for whom they want then their vote will be split they will probably lose. And if Labour has the executive positions then they have the effective power and we won't see change.

Tchambuli9 · Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Location: BLAENAU GWENT

I think a 50/50 coalition with Labour would be preferable Martyn. What is required now are decisions being made responsibly & sensibly. The future of this Borough is at stake.
The enquiry re the Tidy Trev bin was very relevant and the sort of thing that Rocky is going to have to deal with. Insulting remarks are not necessary.
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martyn142 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

Hi Tchambuli

I think quite a lot of people would be very disappointed if anyone formed a coalition with Labour, me included. I guess it depends upon your view of the former labour regime. Mine is very jaundiced.

There are enough ex-Labour councillors among the independents to ensure that the handing over of power isn't too disruptive. It would also be nice if Labour were to cooperate with the new leadership, whoever they might be, in the interests of the borough. Whether they will I am not so sure bearing in mind their history of 'freezing-out' any non-Labour members. In any case, the day-to-day running of the council is in the hands of the officers and the new regime will have plenty of time to settle in and gain some experience.

The comment to somersetsam was a bit harsh although if I had a problem with my bin I'd contact the officers of the council rather than my councillor, but sam may already have done that to be fair.

Tchambuli9 · Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Location: BLAENAU GWENT

Never mind. You'll have the Tories back in 2 years time. That should give you great comfort. I never thought that I would see the day that Blaenau Gwent would contribute to their return. Now I feel kinda yellow too! Crying or Very sad

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martyn142 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

Tchambuli9 · Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Location: BLAENAU GWENT

I said that they have CONTRIBUTED. A lost seat for Labour is a gain for the Tories. But I think you know that don't you!
And what proportion of Independent Councillors are Tories but couldn't disclose their true colours because they knew they wouldn't get a vote.
There are lots of BLUE ROSES in Blaenau Gwent Martyn. Wink

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Tchambuli9 · Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Location: BLAENAU GWENT

I see that Gwent Gazette has very good coverage of the elections and that Des Hillman is THE INDEPENDENTS GROUP LEADER. Interesting to read Cllr. Scully's comments on page 4.
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somersetsam · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 21

Many thanks Carolyn for the Tidy Trev info. All sorted. I must say you were much more helpful than Morris Minor who seems to think that Councillors should not deal with bread & butter issues. Shocked

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somersetsam · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 21

Just read Mr. Scully's comments in Gazette. Seems reasonable to me when you consider all the regeneration that's happening. Llanhilleth has done well and the Six Bells colliery site has been reclaimed. The Met has reopened. New schools. 2 railway stations for the lovely train to Cardiff. I know that a new hospital is planned and I read somewhere that the General Offices and Bedwelty House are being renovated. The more I think of it people 'round here haven't got too much to complain about. But it won't stop them complaining.

[quote]They will get our support as long as they continue the vision of The Labour Party in Blaenau Gwent for regeneration, if they maintain this they will have our support. If they deviate they do so at their peril.
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martyn142 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

Morris Minor · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Posh part of town

Batty doomsday prophets, more than any other segment of the population, like to undermine serious institutional and economic analyses and replace them with a diverting soap opera of pertinacious conspiracies.
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Morris Minor · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 198 Location: Posh part of town

BTW

As you can no doubt determine from comments like that, facts and somersetsam are like oil and water. I would help you digest and assimilate and understand my last piece of information, and help you draw responsible conclusions from it. Here's one conclusion I truly hope like minded people will draw:

I did not say that councillors should not deal with bread and butter issues. Perish the thought that any of our local councillors should be even slightly inconvenienced, that claim is preposterous and overtly humorless. However, I stated that they should not be bothered on a bank holiday with banal problems such as the lid of a Tidy Trev Box, hardly an issue deserving of serious consideration that it could not wait until a more reasonable time especially of a person with obvious computer literacy talents.
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