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Carolyn



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would make a brilliant square and maybe attract a good market or flea market. It would be a great place for the Aber Fest and Welsh dancers far more central then the proposed square in Market Street. The idea he had for the Church and lighting was brill too, it would complement the work that they have already done and no need really for additional CCTV to monitor it.
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eddy1961



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they say investment is going to be made in the town they should question people on what they want in there own town instead of making those decsions from else where.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it the bridge is indeed going but is to be replaced by a new bridge. I think that is the case. And to be fair Eddie there was consultation exercise on the proposals. I have no idea whether anyone commented on the plans and if they did how much notice was taken of them though Confused
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Carolyn



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a consulation meeting for traders and business people, not being either did not attended that one. The public consutation was held at the library and sports centre over two days but I was unable to attend either on those days having prior engagements so no idea how it went.

Two years ago the consultation meetings were held at the library and the plans on display, although there were no executive councillors available both times I went down not sure if there were any other representatives none that I could recognise anyway. We were handed questionaires to fill in as to the proposed plans on display but no provision made in the questionaire as I remember for any other ideas just a simple yes or no.

We brought up some objection to the square being in Market Street with one of the presenters and it being out of the way of the main shops and Arcade and suggested that it might be better used for short term and disabled parking. This was met with some exasperation I think you were meant to a agree or disagree with the plans to fit in with prepared answers.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see in the Gwent Gazette that that Bob Smith's plans for turning the old chapel into a resturant have been refused-pity because it would be great for people to have a resturant especially for young families who like to go out and have a meal together these days without going out of town. But I can see where the council have refused not an ideal place for stopping on the corner there with the traffic if you were in a taxie. When the Metropole re-opens I am sure that people and youngsters will want to have a meal after the show maye he will open one somewhere else. Hope there will be parking space to as the car park shut at night and there is never anywhere to park in town.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Bulldoze the town Reply with quote

see the difference in your local councilors attitude if the regeneration is going to affect them,one of our councillors is a haulage contractor on a large scale .The Salvation Army Hall is at the side of the new shopping mall that was being built.so it was proposed that a big rounderbout was put in the vicinity of the hall when people objected to this because it would have affected over 800 people who use the hall for all sorts of reasons,plus the fact it would disturb sunday worship and also affect any funerals weddings and umpteen other things that the hall was used for.he stod up and adressed the meeting and said that the armys objections was invalid and told the meeting that the Army should bitethe Bullet and let the project go ahead regardless of the armys needs UNTILL a lorry driver of many years standing pointed out that the island was to tight for the lorrys to get around and instead of his lorrys being unloaded 2 or three at a time he would only be able to unload one at a time the others would have to drive around untill a bay was emptywhen he realised this would happen the metting was posponed and when the next consultation meeting took place all was well.He apoligised to the Army for his out burst about biting the bullet,as a result of one man who knew his job (the lorry driver) the army has now got a decent place to allow weddind ,funaral cars to park and allow the dignity that is expected to be given to these events....Fred[/i][/b]
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Bran Fendigaid



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they going to build a bridge and take the old one down Confused even if the cars have to go round the outside of town how are old people going to to get to the doctors and stuff. Nobody yet has said what the plans are for the regeneration on here are there any plans for the younger people like youth clubs or places to go beside pubs. Question
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Crwt Tyleri



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the main things people in the twon need to do is lobby for the rail link. Yes, it will go to Ebbw Vale (like most things do!) but the nearest to Abertillery wiill be Llanhilleth with no park and ride. the least that was needed was a park and ride at Aberbeeg called Abertillery P&R. Shortsightedness and no political will. PS Don't agree with Bob Smith with bulldozing the town. Why be a clone of everywhere else in grey Britain? But do agree we could do much better with some vision and commitment - a restaurant would be a nice start to regenarating the town centre.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Bob Smiths article was a bit tongue in cheek as he like so many are not holding their breath after more than five years when the word regeneration plans are mentioned and nothing significant appears to be happening. A good number of shop, owners moved away years ago and very few have bothered to maintain their shops or appear to have been forced to by the council. Dirty, dilapidated buildings, boarded up windows, antiquated toilet facilities, over grown backs and blocked drains will hardly encourage new business to the town.

In 2002 a makeover was a lick of paint, and new shutters. Very few people are still in the dark as to what exactly these plans entail, Mr smith himself asked this question of BG council the week prior to his article in the points of view section of the Gazette, but received no reply.

Traders and residents are fed up of hearing the rumours of good things to come and will only believe it now when it happens, what exactly is a make over? No one appears to be answering this question Many people are angry at the state of the town and the loss of trade. The letter in this weeks by Dave Rock was more to the point, he suggested bulldozing the council, or bulldozing the real cause of the towns problems out of the way in May 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Abertillery Reply with quote

Sadly this town has so much to offer - just to be given the chance!
A decent restaurant would have been ideal!
Decent car parks (opening at sensible hours would have been acceptable)
An adequqte one way system around Oak street and Gladstone Street would have been logical.
Promoting Cwmtillery lakes with a camping ground would have been promising.
Recognising the volume of traffic and building a dual by pass from Aberbeeg to Brynmawr would have been obliging but reasonable!
Believing we could --- it would be brilliant!
Ending this myth of a deprived Blaenau Gwent would exceed all expectations! Let's go for it!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thinking bypass the town recognising the volume of traffic of even more people trying to get out out and shop elsewhere I suppose, we wont need the car parks then. Won't need the youth clubs the youth won't hang around long. Camping ground sounds great too surrounded by windfarms at least it will provide a place for the unemployed traders and shop workers to set up home in a caravan or tent if they are out of work and cannot afford a mortgage. Maybe it would be sensible to bulldoze it and build new houses, forget Abertillery and re-name it Ebbw Vale Suburbia. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Abertillery Reply with quote

laswern wrote:
Sadly this town has so much to offer - just to be given the chance!
A decent restaurant would have been ideal!
Decent car parks (opening at sensible hours would have been acceptable)
An adequqte one way system around Oak street and Gladstone Street would have been logical.
Promoting Cwmtillery lakes with a camping ground would have been promising.
Recognising the volume of traffic and building a dual by pass from Aberbeeg to Brynmawr would have been obliging but reasonable!
Believing we could --- it would be brilliant!
Ending this myth of a deprived Blaenau Gwent would exceed all expectations! Let's go for it!!!!!!!!!!


Theres a lot of woulds in here but i cannot quite see the woods for the trees are you speaking in the past tense Question Are they part of the plans that have been suggested or your own desires Question Everyone has different ideas on what they would like to see come out of the regeneration so cannot please em all. Promoting tourism is essential but you would have to consider the needs of the people who live here from day to day as well and i guess there will only be so much mony to go round the town has suffered from years of neglect, ending the myth of a deprived Blaenau Gwent begins with Abertillery the rest of the borough is not so deprived right now and still begging for and getting more funding. hope things have been learned from past mistakes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Abertillery Reply with quote

laswern wrote:
Sadly this town has so much to offer - just to be given the chance!
A decent restaurant would have been ideal!
Decent car parks (opening at sensible hours would have been acceptable)
An adequqte one way system around Oak street and Gladstone Street would have been logical.
Promoting Cwmtillery lakes with a camping ground would have been promising.
Recognising the volume of traffic and building a dual by pass from Aberbeeg to Brynmawr would have been obliging but reasonable!
Believing we could --- it would be brilliant!
Ending this myth of a deprived Blaenau Gwent would exceed all expectations! Let's go for it!!!!!!!!!!


Some excellent suggestions in that I think - some real sense. Why all the negativity in lots of the above messages? Ok so the council haven't delivered in some (lots?) cases - get onto them if they have promised - but let's not sit back and expect it all to come from them. Those who know their history will realise that there was no council as such when Abertillery was really forming in the late 1880s- it was entrepreneurial spirit that got things going. Perhaps we have too much of a dependency culture now. Certainly money and input from authorities and agencies is requiired but we as the community can help turn things around.
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Carolyn



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Negativity! These may well be the people paying coucil tax and getting very little in return. Why should we not expect it to come from the local council we are paying them to do a job. Lots of people do not have well paid jobs but still have to pay and the cost goes up yearly. We have been subsisiding Ebbw Vale for years and their council tax is lower.

Is it not natural to depend on the the people you are so highly paying to do a job? The entrepreneurial spirit that got things going in the 1880's probably did not cost so much.



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