STREETS AFFECTED BY SWITCH OFF VILLAGE POLITICAL WARD LIGHTS SWITCHED OFF
CAE FELIN STREET LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 6
COMMERCIAL RD RR/O CENT HOTEL LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 1
FLYOVER ROAD ABERBEEG LLANHILLETH 9
GLANDWR INDUSTRIAL ESTATE ABERBEEG LLANHILLETH 1
INSTITUTE CAR PARK LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 10
LLANHILETH STATION CAR PARK LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 15
MEADOW STREET LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 5
OLD CHURCH ROAD ABERBEEG LLANHILLETH 4
PANTDDU ROAD ABERBEEG LLANHILLETH 4
PARTRIDGE ROAD LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 6
RAILWAY STREET LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 7
RAILWAY TERRACE LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 7
WALPOLE BRIDGE LLANHILLETH LLANHILLETH 8
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You'll notice that Caefelin St. has 6 lights which will be affected.
I'm not totally familiar with the area but I assume that those 6 will be isolated ones or ones in gaps between terraces.
No doubt Cllr. McCarthy will wish to fully enlighten you as to which they are.
The Council's website has a link to the entire schedule on its Homepage.
[url]www.blaenau-gwent.gov .uk[/url] , click the Street lighting switch link on the right-hand side.
Many thanks for your help in the Llanhilleth ward taking into account that Railway Terrace is in Aberbeeg and Pantddu Road is not even in Blaenau Gwent I have already consulted those affected as Jools and Abrogator have already mentioned so the matter is in hand.
However, residents of the Six Bells, Abertillery and Cwmtillery wards seem to be kept in the dark. _________________ This is my truth. Now tell me yours.
Six Bells Ward
Street Affected Lights switched off
Aberbeeg Rd Road Off 2
Alexandra Rd & Rear 25
Alexandra Tce 8
Arail St Car Park 4
Arail St Footway 16
Bridge St 6
Bryn Tce 4
Cwm Cottage Road 6
Eastville Rd 3
Earl St & Rear 9
Footpath to Community Centre 4
Graig Rd 2
Griffin St 7
Hafodfan Tce 1
High St 6
Jubilee Road 3
Lancaster St 11
Lower Lanc St 5
New High St 1
Richmond Road 21
Six Bells Link Rd 2
Six Bells Rd 12
Upper Arail St 3
Upper Griffin St 2
Windsor Rd 1
Abertillery Ward
Street Affected Lights switched off
Adam St Rear Lane 1
Bishop St & Rear 5
Bridge St 8
Bywater Row 5
Carlyle St 1
Castle St 26
Chapel Road 11
Chapel Rd subway 21
Church St 1
Clarence St 3
Duivision St 3
Florence Close 6
Gelli Grug Rd 2
Glan Ebbw Tce 4
Glandwr St 2
Health Centre Carpark 16
High St & Carpark 1
James St 2
Kingshead Row 1
Metropole Carpark 4
Newall St 1
Pantypwdyn Rd 1
Penrhiwgarreg 1
Princess St 1
Rhiw Park Rd 7
Roch St 6
Somerset St 6
Station Hill 12
The Brooklands 5
Victor Rd 7
Cwmtillery Ward
Alma St 8
Arail View 4
Attlee Ave 1
Cwmtillery Ind Estate 52
Gladstone St 1
Gwern Berthi Rd 18
Morley Rd 2
Oak St 18
Roseheyworth Business Park 27
Roseheyworth Rd 2
Sudan Tce 1
Tillery Road 2
Tyleri Gardens 4
Victoria St 43
Woodland Tce 16
I may have missed it in an earlier post, but could anyone shed some light on how much these measures will actually save the council.
Not forgeting the increased bills that will surely ensue, to the council and private individuals from vandalism and damage to parked vehicles and property.
Call me a cynic but i'm pretty sure this cost cutting, will cost more in the long run. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
I put that in just for you aide. but it is a serious question i think needs answering before we get into a no win situation, its all well and good to save money and cut the (carbon-footprint) so to speak but at what real cost i wonder.
Nothing good will come from turning off street lights, lets hear more peoples views on it.
I for one am against it. Glad to see your up to speed tonight aide..
must be those yoga lessons your having, i'd lose the pink leotard though its to 80s. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
Well, Llanhilleth people at least have it from the horse's mouth, not the horse's brain.
And Tchambles hasn't been too clever either.
'Victoria St' in Cwmtillery isn't - it's Victoria Road in Six Bells.
The Victor Rd in 'Abertillery' is the Victor Rd. in Penybont ( Cwmtillery ). _________________ Rocke
Unfortunately Caefelin has only 6 lights, no gaps. They are all outside peoples homes, as are all the other 'fields' streets lights. Not one light in the village after 12am after the switch off starts.
Good luck to the local councillors who are fighting this. Den Hughes and Hedley are both against it. Not sure about Mike Bartlett. It's a very unpopular move and I have already heard people saying 'it's the independents doing this'.......
Hi jools.
In that case make sure one of your councillors is on the case.
People are correct, it is 'the independents', coupled with the political groupings.
It's the result of having less money than expected/required and a huge rise in electricity costs.
It's also because other authorities have done it with apparently no issues.
Torfaen's one.
I work there and there's been no ongoing outcry about it. An initial one, which is only to be expected I suppose, but no problems.
Not taking anything away from your point of view but Cllr. McCarthy will be against anything this administration says, (including telling me how many times he's used the chauffeured Civic car since his party's defeat in last year's elections).
At the moment I'm giving it my guarded support.
Once it occurs I'll be roaming around Cwmtillery Ward to see what effect it has. I think it's a good idea to get it first hand. _________________ Rocke
ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
Well, Llanhilleth people at least have it from the horse's mouth, not the horse's brain.
And Tchambles hasn't been too clever either.
'Victoria St' in Cwmtillery isn't - it's Victoria Road in Six Bells.
The Victor Rd in 'Abertillery' is the Victor Rd. in Penybont ( Cwmtillery ).
Abusive aren't we? Sounds like a guilty conscience (I've seen it before)
The information I have posted is from the document your "clever" administration has issued. I see this council are even proposing to switch off lights in Caerphilly, never mind Torfaen
As for you roaming around after dark it just don't bear thinking about
You had better be careful you don't get your collar felt or worse still step in dogs mess.
ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this.
Sorry Ian, missed that one point.
The projected savings are £180,000 using this option.
There was an option for a total switch-off ( all lights after midnight ) to save an estimated £220,000 ( I think ) but safety issues rendered this unacceptable.
In the case of anti-social behaviour - in fact on the entire issue of problems arising from switch-offs - there's a protocol in place.
It's something like:
* Accident, road safety, Police request - lights can be switched back on simply on Chief Officer's say-so ie. within a day ( night ).
* Potentail safety issues, Member involvement - issue goes before a review group which presumably convenes regularly.
* Representations from the public, councillors etc. - goes before a monitoring panel.
This is NOT the actual method, just what I recall of it.
Once I'm back in the house I'll get the actual protocol and post it.
As to the civic car issue the argument is that since the council's committed to paying for it ( and the drivers ) then it might as well be used by Members, since it removes the need to pay them mileage, fares etc.
However, we should know the aggregated cost of the car(s) ( cost, maintenance, wages, tax, Insurance etc.etc ) and then compare the cost per mile to the agreed rate for Members' reimbursement, which is 40p/mile for the first 10,000 miles and 25p thereafter.
I also firmly believe that councillors who claim not to have claimed travel expenses but who have caused us to incur them, if only because of the fuel used in the trip, are not being completely open.
Might I point out that at £1/litre ( £4.50/gallon ) the fuel cost alone for a car that probably does the low 20s per gallon around here would be around 20p per mile.
On this forum Cllr. Hedley McCarthy's apparent alter ego 'hedleymccarthy' has stated that they didn't claim travelling expenses. I claimed some £236.
On the face of it what a nice person he is, compared to grasping Dai Rocke.
However, presented with the facts of how many official meetings I attended last year for those combined claims and how many times Cllr. McCarthy used the civic car I suspect that even the most blinkered and rabid party-ite would see where I'm coming from. _________________ Rocke
Well, Llanhilleth people at least have it from the horse's mouth, not the horse's brain.
And Tchambles hasn't been too clever either.
'Victoria St' in Cwmtillery isn't - it's Victoria Road in Six Bells.
The Victor Rd in 'Abertillery' is the Victor Rd. in Penybont ( Cwmtillery ).
Abusive aren't we? Sounds like a guilty conscience (I've seen it before)
The information I have posted is from the document your "clever" administration has issued. I see this council are even proposing to switch off lights in Caerphilly, never mind Torfaen
As for you roaming around after dark it just don't bear thinking about
You had better be careful you don't get your collar felt or worse still step in dogs mess.
What we have to worry about is wading through the mess the humans have made of this entire town over the years.
How some businesses have prospered through the regeneration efforts of Blaenau Gwent council, the council that oversaw the decline in the first place. The council that failed to appreciate the effect of making Brynmawr a reasonable retail centre would have on Aber.
Failing to bring larger retailers into the town leaving us with smaller shops owned and/or rented out by - now, I wonder who that could be ?
One thing no-one ever seems to say about the breakdown of types of business we have:
Everyone says we've pubs, takeaways and hairdressers yet it isn't very often people comment about how many estate agents we have.
Is it little wonder that certain people want more done for the town, more shops open...........more rent income.
You can't make any more of a tchambles of it - either through this medium or out on the streets - than the other half of the unholy alliance we have on this forum.
Now the decent people and citizens of our town have the ability to look right into the heart of matters that affect them, without the reprehensible slant that's been put on things in the past.
Your counterpart and their spin is a busted flush, swimming around in the goldfish bowl I've helped put them in. Looked in on and exposed as I see fit and when the public ask.
As they say 'Cry Havoc! - and let slip the dogs of war'.
The problem is that you only have sheep trying to be in wolves' clothing.
There's another adage as well - so let's see if Hell hath no fury............ _________________ Rocke
ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this.
Sorry Ian, missed that one point.
The projected savings are £180,000 using this option.
There was an option for a total switch-off ( all lights after midnight ) to save an estimated £220,000 ( I think ) but safety issues rendered this unacceptable.
In the case of anti-social behaviour - in fact on the entire issue of problems arising from switch-offs - there's a protocol in place.
It's something like:
* Accident, road safety, Police request - lights can be switched back on simply on Chief Officer's say-so ie. within a day ( night ).
* Potentail safety issues, Member involvement - issue goes before a review group which presumably convenes regularly.
* Representations from the public, councillors etc. - goes before a monitoring panel.
This is NOT the actual method, just what I recall of it.
Once I'm back in the house I'll get the actual protocol and post it.
As to the civic car issue the argument is that since the council's committed to paying for it ( and the drivers ) then it might as well be used by Members, since it removes the need to pay them mileage, fares etc.
However, we should know the aggregated cost of the car(s) ( cost, maintenance, wages, tax, Insurance etc.etc ) and then compare the cost per mile to the agreed rate for Members' reimbursement, which is 40p/mile for the first 10,000 miles and 25p thereafter.
I also firmly believe that councillors who claim not to have claimed travel expenses but who have caused us to incur them, if only because of the fuel used in the trip, are not being completely open.
Might I point out that at £1/litre ( £4.50/gallon ) the fuel cost alone for a car that probably does the low 20s per gallon around here would be around 20p per mile.
On this forum Cllr. Hedley McCarthy's apparent alter ego 'hedleymccarthy' has stated that they didn't claim travelling expenses. I claimed some £236.
On the face of it what a nice person he is, compared to grasping Dai Rocke.
However, presented with the facts of how many official meetings I attended last year for those combined claims and how many times Cllr. McCarthy used the civic car I suspect that even the most blinkered and rabid party-ite would see where I'm coming from.
Hallelujah rocke i was nibbling on my nana's wondering if some one would give an answer muchas grasias amigo. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
If public transport is not running or they do not have their own means of transport or unable to drive why not use local taxi's. That way at least the cost incurred go back to the local people and they can share taxi's equally as well as a civic car. Naturally I would assume that they could claim reimbursement in the same way as they would the cost of travelling expences in their own vehicles.
I guess there is two ways of looking at it if a councillor appears not to have claimed travelling expences he/she is either rather stupid since they are entitiled to it or not reperesenting their ward properly by attending meetings on a regular basis or at all. _________________ My life is no rehearsal There'll be no curtain call encore, so I've thrown my screwed up script away to ad lib my life once more!
[quote="Rocke"]
On the face of it what a nice person he is, compared to grasping Dai Rocke.
Could you qualify this, have I ever questioned your expenses or described you as grasping, I think not. I am not as interested in you as you tend to imagine. The car has only been made an issue by you, it is frequently used by one of your ward colleagues, and daily by your leader.You should spend more time on Housing issues
Caroline's idea about using taxis would take the claims through the roof
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I have already consulted those affected as Jools and Abrogator have already mentioned so the matter is in hand.
