ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this.
I see I (bo) J asked a question that don't seem to be answered so would any of the councillors like to answer it?
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this?
Thankyou for noticing white dove, CLLR mcarthy did comment on the use of taxi's being unrealistic.
BUT NO ANSWER'S, on the public transport theory, and why are the council commited to a civic car and driver's.
Contract's/agreements can be changed, nothing is written in stone i presume.
Yes they are entitled to trvelling expenses, but if it is not for profit, then public transport or car sharing is surely the answer, after all they go to the same meetings don't they? and if they are commited to cost saving what better way, and meet their peer's on the bus every day, the people who elected them. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this.
I see I (bo) J asked a question that don't seem to be answered so would any of the councillors like to answer it?
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this?
Hi WhiteDove.
I'm not sure which question you don't think has been answered.
I've posted how much the savings are projected to be, what the contingencies are if things go wrong in areas - ah, I see I haven't said that areas covered by CCTV won't be switched off - and I've explained about the cars.
I see however that you might be asking about use of public transport by councillors.
This is very much on an individual basis.
Let's start with time.
Meetings are at set times, which may or may not coincide with public transport service times, especially when you consider that you'd, for example, need to have buses arriving at Ebbw Vale from all over the borough between 1 and 2 ( 2 being the time of most of the cyclic council and committee meetings ).
Then there's the getting home.
Add to that councillors who are in employment and you then have PT considerations from all over Gwent, and beyond.
That's when cars come into their own, plus it's far more convenient to use a car than the bus.
Therein I think lies the dividing line - when is use of the Civic car just a convenience ?
It's another angle on my views regarding the public being able to form a view from fair and unbiased information as to whether their representatives are providing what is felt to be 'value-for-money'.
A lot of members here will have seen my views on it published in the Gazette. It's not just ( or evenly mainly ) the cost of something but whether those sums get you the best representation you have available.
btw there a quite a few councillors who share cars and/or give people a lift. I and one of my colleagues quite often give another councillor a lift back to Aber.
2 Members from the same ward almost always share a car.
On the face of it what a nice person he is, compared to grasping Dai Rocke.
Could you qualify this, have I ever questioned your expenses or described
you as grasping, I think not. I am not as interested in you as you tend to
imagine. The car has only been made an issue by you, it is frequently used by one of your ward colleagues, and daily by your leader.You should spend more time on Housing issues
Caroline's idea about using taxis would take the claims through the roof
Strange how no-one else has indicated any trouble in understanding where I was coming from.
The car's been made an issue by me because with all the mischief made in the name of the local Labour Party I want to ensure that the public cannot be misled into believing that those of us who claim ( some of our )travelling expenses aren't portrayed as graspers by any insidious propoganda sheets that might appear from time to time.
Our readers will no doubt realise the benefits of its use by the Leader in
enabling him to fully brief himself on the way to meetings etc.
Your comment about not being interested in me simply doesn't wash and is yet another example of spin.
In the past 10 months or so you've been shown to be disengenuous, highly subjective, sniffy, condescending and have managed to alienate a
significant majority - if not all - neutral members of this forum with your
holier-than-thou attitude.
I've enough postings from you - including an assertion that 'you' are the
pseudonym Cllr. Hedley McCarthy posts under - to completely discredit the Party because it associates 'you' with it.
Agent Smith is not going to enjoy having his campaign sidelined by local issues of activists and high profile members - leaders even - being quoted
as saying and doing the things they have. The real and genuine public being able to see what they're being asked to vote for.
All these months I've put up with the 'rookie', 'newbie' and other comments intended to cast me as someone who simply can't know what he's talking about.
And just because all these months I've been waiting for the day when I decide to let you know how you - an apparent highly experienced politician ( I'm still not convinced that there's only one of you operating the keyboard and I can never be certain that you are who you say ) -have been absolutely kippered up.
Talk about giving people enough rope. I can't believe you just kept taking it. But then again, it isn't in the make-up of people who believe they are far and above mere mortals to think they can be damaged.
Rome was sacked because the people let the slaves do all the work, believing that the mere name of 'Rome' would protect them from attack.
There's a few sackings to come in the next few years as well:
* Sacked ( sorry, sidelined ) as a key adviser to Agent Smith in his campaign. He'd be mad - or just as arrogant - to have 'you' on the streets
with him.
* Sacked ( sorry, stepping down ) as Leader - best chance the Labour Group will have - out with the old, 'we've changed' etc. to convince the electorate of a return to the good old ways.
* Sacked ( sorry, not selected ) as a viable prospective candidate for AM. Can you imagine running a campaign with all these quotes attributed to you ?
* Sacked - yes, because that is what this one will be - by the electorate.
Fails miserably to win a seat in a new ward, having realised that a measly
9 votes is less than a handful of voters putting a cross in a different box
next time.
A highly experienced politician, completely kippered up by one who's only
been there for less than 14 months.
The housing issue ?
No doubt you'll have the helpful response from Housing that I had when I
telephoned ( letters keep tenants waiting a bit longer ).
Interesting that they've been waiting over 2 years. Must have started when my ward had 3 Labour councillors then......................
( You really must try to stop giving me bullets to fire into you ).
Oh - and just how many times has Cllr. McCarthy availed himself of his
right to use the Civic car on official business these past 13 months ?
I don't want to say, since it wouldn't allow the chance to immediately
explain the circumstances, just in case any member of the public got the
wrong end of the stick as to why there's been this reluctance.
btw I'm very interested in you. In fact I'm fixated with shattering and
shredding any credibility you and those who ( collectively, via The Party )
appear to support you, have left.
You see, I'm convinced that you ( whoever you might be ) and your ways are the embodiment of all that has gone wrong with our town.
Blinkered ( if fact so highly subjective as to have tunnel vision )
approaches, a low opinion of the general public's ability to express
themselves and what they want, a complete lack of vision and understanding of the possible consequences of a) making ; and b) not taking decisions.
Finally you'll be pleased to know that I've finished with you.
The past 10 months have been very productive, though sometimes frustrating for me, knowing that what I'm doing is jarring off the genuine members of this forum.
Any more time spent ripping through ( most of ) your drivel would be
superfluous.
PS - wonder if HQ get to read this before you do ?
PPS - RSVP ( and remember that there's an awful lot of reasonable, neutral and most importantly sensible people on here ). _________________ Rocke
ROCKE: i'm not being sarcastic (at the moment), but i asked how much the council will save by turning the lights off, so if you've had feedback, on the effects there must be feedback on the savings.
I don't live in torfaen, I as you know, live in a part of abertillery that is a hotspot for youth's gathering right through till sunrise as the people here know only to well and this is one area that i hope is closely monitored. As you know, we are a councillor short in this ward at the moment so (any) info would be gratefully received from (anyone).
whether or not the crimes/misdemeanour's increase, or remain the same, the likelyhood of identifying any culprits will be zero with no lighting.
This is not a question of who's ward we live in, it is a question of which town we live in and would like to be safe in.
And as you mentioned the civic car, vote on doing away with it if it's not cost effective.
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this.
I see I (bo) J asked a question that don't seem to be answered so would any of the councillors like to answer it?
I take it most council business is on the whole done while public transport is running so COUNCILLORS promote it by using it, or use your own cars and as the government suggests car share.
This would save quite a bit and i think rocke you would be in favour of this?
Hi WhiteDove.
I'm not sure which question you don't think has been answered.
I've posted how much the savings are projected to be, what the contingencies are if things go wrong in areas - ah, I see I haven't said that areas covered by CCTV won't be switched off - and I've explained about the cars.
I see however that you might be asking about use of public transport by councillors.
This is very much on an individual basis.
Let's start with time.
Meetings are at set times, which may or may not coincide with public transport service times, especially when you consider that you'd, for example, need to have buses arriving at Ebbw Vale from all over the borough between 1 and 2 ( 2 being the time of most of the cyclic council and committee meetings ).
Then there's the getting home.
Add to that councillors who are in employment and you then have PT considerations from all over Gwent, and beyond.
That's when cars come into their own, plus it's far more convenient to use a car than the bus.
Therein I think lies the dividing line - when is use of the Civic car just a convenience ?
It's another angle on my views regarding the public being able to form a view from fair and unbiased information as to whether their representatives are providing what is felt to be 'value-for-money'.
A lot of members here will have seen my views on it published in the Gazette. It's not just ( or evenly mainly ) the cost of something but whether those sums get you the best representation you have available.
btw there a quite a few councillors who share cars and/or give people a lift. I and one of my colleagues quite often give another councillor a lift back to Aber.
2 Members from the same ward almost always share a car.
Cheers.
after reading through the forum and posts again with the cllers planing to turning off the street lights to ''save money''!
can you plz tell me are you not saving money during the summer months?
due to the fact that it don't get dark untill around 9/10pm as to during the winter months it gets dark around 6pm there is 3/4 hours savings there and in the morning when it gets light around 4/5am during the summer as to around 7am in the winter months thats another 2/3 hours savings there.
_________________ when nobody knows nothing someone knows something!
I put a suggestion that instead of Midnight until 1 hr before dawn we should consider Midnight and not back on at all during the Summer months. After all they might as well be off at 03:00 at all times. This would provide scope for making sure they're on at 05:00 in the Winter ( when 1 hr before dawn would be after the Day shift starts ).
That was 'taken on board' as they say but I'm not sure if it will be implemented.
I hope that the whole thing will be implemented during summer time so we can guage the effects before getting into the really dark and nights. _________________ Rocke
I put a suggestion that instead of Midnight until 1 hr before dawn we should consider Midnight and not back on at all during the Summer months. After all they might as well be off at 03:00 at all times. This would provide scope for making sure they're on at 05:00 in the Winter ( when 1 hr before dawn would be after the Day shift starts ).
That was 'taken on board' as they say but I'm not sure if it will be implemented.
I hope that the whole thing will be implemented during summer time so we can guage the effects before getting into the really dark and nights.
Rocke i know its not your ward but there is a street light burning away in our street as i type this. its been on non stop as far as i know, and i dont know if there are others in Aber being wasted aswell. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
Had a few pointed out to me last week as it happened.
My suggestion is ring 311556 and report it.
( The reason being is that it will be quicker than calling your local councillor only for them to call C2BG ).
If matters aren't resolved in a few days then get your councillor on it. _________________ Rocke
Thanks rocke: I'll ring them in the morning, if they're going to have the switch off it's got to be effective afterall. _________________ "Assert your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault".
I ask because the light at the top of my street hasn't been on for the last couple of nights. (Its between two sides of the street). If it has it looks as though not all our street's lights are being turned off. _________________ Top tip: never put anything in your ear smaller than your elbow
Um..... this is a point I made during one of the debates on this.
We need to know precisely what's happening so people can report faulty lights. ( I've even suggested a plate or some sort of identification of a switched-off light. I can imagine someone reporting a faulty light, us coming along and changing the bulb and then finding out it's a 'switch-off' ).
As far as I'm aware it hasn't started yet.
I'd say you have a faulty light, so give 311556 a call and if it's not attended to then get hold of one of your councillors jools.
Also, I'll repeat ( not because no-one's understood but to stress the importance of it ) that no residential areas should be affected to the extent that lights outside houses are off.
There'll be lights off between blocks of houses ( if there's a decent gap ) but not within the terraces etc. themselves.
It is important that people let us know iof this happens.
We've seen that some streets have been assumed to be in the wrong wards, similarly-named streets ( Victoria Roads ) have been on the wrong schedule etc.
That's why we will need all info. on where this operation exceeds what you have been told, so we correct it.
This isn't really the place for it but if someone wants to add a topic of 'should these lights be out ?' so we can get your input then fine.
I'll be happy to pass on comments to respective ward members.
It will save duplication of effort and make it easier for the public to point things out. _________________ Rocke
What about lights above NO ENTRY signs ours is on all day and night, nobody ever takes any notice of the sign anyway it's any which way but loose around here Traffic comes from all directions _________________ My life is no rehearsal There'll be no curtain call encore, so I've thrown my screwed up script away to ad lib my life once more!
What about lights above NO ENTRY signs ours is on all day and night, nobody ever takes any notice of the sign anyway it's any which way but loose around here Traffic comes from all directions
I'm not sure Carolyn but aren't sign lights on at all times ?
I didn't think they were on timers.
Mr. Monk - I forgot about each pole having an ID.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Boco - it isn't practical to use car indicator bulbs. They are a different type of fitting and apparently the relays don't work on AC current. I'm investigating whether it would be feasible to have people unplug the bulbs at dawn and then replace them as twilight falls.
Green work creation - that might be a vote-winner. _________________ Rocke
Never mind turning the street lights out at midnight, they should make sure that all lights are off in the day. There are several around Llan still blazing away after 8am.
Perhaps BGCC need to employ the services of this gentleman.
A few years ago we went on holiday to the Lake District,a beautiful area with lots of tourists walking around ,it was a town larger than Abertillery.We asked around for a nice place to eat in the evening and were told the name of a pub ,we walked to that pub in the early evening and had a good time.When we came out at around 11.30 ish it was pitch black,not a street light anywhere.It took a while for our eyes to get used to it but eventually we found our way,slowly and safely back to where we were staying.We were surprised to find that this was taken for granted in that area and most locals carried torches.Perhaps we've been a little spoiled recently and now expect lights to be on for our personal convenience.
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