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hedleymccarthy
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Oh dear, Sunbeam I'm sorry if I spoiled you. I wonder if the Lake District has any problems with anti-social behaviour, my problem is that I represent the people of Llanhilleth not Kendal and I have experienced high levels of ASB in the Fields and recent reports from New Woodland Terrace, Aberbeeg.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps Hedley when I said "spoiled" what I meant was wasted our money on too many lights left on when not necessary.
Are you implying that the people of the Fields and Woodland Tce are different from those to be found anywhere else.Anti-social behaviour is probably more a sign of the times than the place.Even the Home Counties of England have problems with their Hooray Henrys and Henriettas. |
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hedleymccarthy
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Probably start wasting money on compensation claims instead. However, I'm surprised that you regarded a service as wasting money and I think you are the first person to actually applaud the venture into the new dark age. 
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hedleymccarthy
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The other point I was making Sunbeam is that I represent Llanhilleth Ward where there has been considerable disquiet about the switch off. I do not represent the Lake District or the Home Counties and I am also fed up with people trying to justify this cut by saying Torfaen are doing it, Powys are doing it, I don't sit on either of these councils so what have that got to do with the Blaenau Gwent black-out? 
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IAN(boco)jones
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| ADRIAN MONK wrote: | | About 20 Street Lights on all day Saturday, on the Aberbeeg Expressway!! |
You can ring this nuber that rocke posted replying to me in an earlier part of this thread.( 311556).
I rang it and i'm glad to say that the light in question has been dealt with.
PS: Glad to see you following my lead and editing your postings Mr monk.
Maybe we'll both have a constructive input in future, not necessarily agreeing with each other or anyone else.
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sunbeam
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You insist on looking on the black side of things Hedley  .Why should turning a few street lights off be treated as such a big deal. Some of us in Abertillery consider Green Issues important and imagine the impact on our Carbon Footprint.
As to the flack that you say you are getting from people ,when you become a councillor this is what you are payed for,and surely if other areas are trying it ,it could be because it is quite a good idea. |
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hedleymccarthy
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| sunbeam wrote: | You insist on looking on the black side of things Hedley .Why should turning a few street lights off be treated as such a big deal. Some of us in Abertillery consider Green Issues important and imagine the impact on our Carbon Footprint.
As to the flack that you say you are getting from people ,when you become a councillor this is what you are payed for,and surely if other areas are trying it ,it could be because it is quite a good idea. |
We'll all be looking on the black side soon I am not getting flak I have been receiving a lot of support, most of the people realise that Labour had proposed a workable alternative which would have avoided the switch off and reduced council tax bills. Sunbeam I must say your arguments on the carbon footprint are more persuasive than the reasons the coalition were able to come up with  Maybe they should ask you to become their policy adviser 
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If most of the people realised that you had a workable alternative... how come they did not vote for you
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| Forgive my ignorance Hedley,can you please enlighten me ,what was your workable alternative? Explain it simply so that I have a chance of understanding it please. |
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hedleymccarthy
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Sunbeam, Labour put forward a costed working alternative to the coalition administration's budget in March, it was not accepted by the controlling coalition group, because they either lacked the mental agility or were reluctant to admit there was an alternative. Last year a Director put in an inflated bid to cover statutory testing i.e to ensure council buildings are safe etc. Only a small portion had been spent in the last financial year and this year there was a new bid as well as the underspend. We estimated that £700,000 could be used to save the impounding service, save street lighting and reduce the Council Tax by 1%. During the ongoing budget meeting the Finance officers checked that our proposal was workable and gave it the nod, however, for reasons best known to himself the Leader of the Council turned it down.
For five minutes of pride swallowing they preferred their draconian budget, pride comes before a fall.
One of the coalition voted with Labour and one bizarrely abstained. This is a laughable thing to do as voters send you there to represent them not to abstain on their behalf.
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IAN(boco)jones
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Abstaining in a vote while in public office in my view is an unforgivable act, if you have chosen to stand for office it is your duty to vote one way or the other, you cannot possibly have no view on the issue being voted on.
Whoever abstains from a vote should step down and let some one who is prepared to use their vote take their place.
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Rocke
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| IAN(boco)jones wrote: | Abstaining in a vote while in public office in my view is an unforgivable act, if you have chosen to stand for office it is your duty to vote one way or the other, you cannot possibly have no view on the issue being voted on.
Whoever abstains from a vote should step down and let some one who is prepared to use their vote take their place. |
Should have read the 'Week That Was' just after that budget-setting meeting.
You'd have seen why I abstained on a particular issue.
Abstention, used properly, is a valid voting mechanism.
That might sound strange but it shows that you're not convinced by the proposal put forward and that you are equally unconvinced by the opposition's counter-arguments.
It also prevents the more politically-motivated people from crowing.
You'll notice, for example, that 'hedleymccarthy' has mentioned it as a bizarre act. That means they are unhappy with me, therefore it must not have been a bad move.
The worst sin of all, to me, is the failure to attend meetings, take part in a debate and possibly fashion the shape of things to come.
When one abstains one has at least been there to contribute.
Tactical and/or strategic absences are the worst abrogation of public duty.
I'd therefore say that 'Whoever decides against attending a meeting and who can't justify it to their constituents should step down and let some one who is prepared to use their voice take their place.
Cllr. Hedley McCarthy stood up in one recent meeting and stated he'd been down the bay ( apparently canvassing his mates in power on behalf of er.... him and his colleagues in opposition ).
He cannot speak with any authority for Blaenau Gwent whatsoever, so he could not have been representing his constituents down there.
He could have, however, been representing their views in committee.
Time is running short. I'd have thought he'd want to fully utilise the final months that the voters will give him.
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IAN(boco)jones
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| Rocke wrote: | | IAN(boco)jones wrote: | Abstaining in a vote while in public office in my view is an unforgivable act, if you have chosen to stand for office it is your duty to vote one way or the other, you cannot possibly have no view on the issue being voted on.
Whoever abstains from a vote should step down and let some one who is prepared to use their vote take their place. |
Should have read the 'Week That Was' just after that budget-setting meeting.
You'd have seen why I abstained on a particular issue.
Abstention, used properly, is a valid voting mechanism.
That might sound strange but it shows that you're not convinced by the proposal put forward and that you are equally unconvinced by the opposition's counter-arguments.
It also prevents the more politically-motivated people from crowing.
You'll notice, for example, that 'hedleymccarthy' has mentioned it as a bizarre act. That means they are unhappy with me, therefore it must not have been a bad move.
The worst sin of all, to me, is the failure to attend meetings, take part in a debate and possibly fashion the shape of things to come.
When one abstains one has at least been there to contribute.
Tactical and/or strategic absences are the worst abrogation of public duty.
I'd therefore say that 'Whoever decides against attending a meeting and who can't justify it to their constituents should step down and let some one who is prepared to use their voice take their place.
Cllr. Hedley McCarthy stood up in one recent meeting and stated he'd been down the bay ( apparently canvassing his mates in power on behalf of er.... him and his colleagues in opposition ).
He cannot speak with any authority for Blaenau Gwent whatsoever, so he could not have been representing his constituents down there.
He could have, however, been representing their views in committee.
Time is running short. I'd have thought he'd want to fully utilise the final months that the voters will give him. |
I take your point rocke, but i'm sorry if something has come as far being proposed there should be sufficient data available, (written or spoken) to make a decision one way or the other, sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils, abstaining wont change that.
However I totally agree on your other point, no Cllr should miss meetings without a valid reason, however trivial the agenda is it is what they are elected for, and I am not singling anyone out when I say that.
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hedleymccarthy
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It helps if you understand the proposition which is being voted on
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Rocke
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hedleymccarthy wrote: | | It helps if you understand the proposition which is being voted on |
Subjective.
And detracting from the point.
Absence from meetings does have the advantage, however, of reducing the number of times one uses the Civic Car.
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