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Eddie legge



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Argus Report Thurs July 13  Reply with quote

Cllr Bard in the news again has Des Hillman got a
crises on his hands "I should bloody well say so"
An investigation carried out by Wales' schools inspectors
Estyn reveals the authority has major failings in its
education provision and has been graded as "unsatisfactory"
which is the worst grade awarded
Councilor Stephen Bard quit his post as Executive member for
education in the wake of serious failings in the provision of
education in the country bourough
As a result, inspectors have recomended the Welsh Assembly step in and place the department in special measures
BBC news man interviewing council leader Hillman  outside council offices in Ebbw  Vale (1350 BBC  news)
What an embarrassing pathetic performance from the leader of Blaenau Gwent council
in front of journalist and BBC camra answering questions on why under his leadership council has
major failings in its education provision
and has been graded the worse authority in Wales  
How long can Hillman last,
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Argus another report Reply with quote

Argus Monday August/ 8/ 2011
Front page council leader Hillman and
deupty leader Mason
Council leaders face crunch vote at special meeting
Labour councilors claim the pair have shown"abject
failure to act in the best interest of the council in the wake of
the Estyn report
For me to post the whole report on Forum  would take time I would have to copy word for word
Carolyn has in the past given us a copy of Argus and Gazette reports
When asked on the last occasion why she hadn't posted Argus report on Forum about Des Hilman
Carolyn  said Eddie Legge had done so but that was missleading because Eddie had only reported a few lines
Cllr Rocke  had the Argus in mind when he said dont believe all you read in some news papers
Which brings me back to that old but true saying "There is no smoke without fire" Blaenau Gwent is starting to burn, put a damper on it before it is to late,Yesterday has gone, Tomorrow never comes
Today and ever more give Estyn open door

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Argus another report Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:
For me to post the whole report on Forum  would take time I would have to copy word for word
Carolyn has in the past given us a copy of Argus and Gazette reports
When asked on the last occasion why she hadn't posted Argus report on Forum about Des Hilman
Carolyn  said Eddie Legge had done so but that was missleading because Eddie had only reported a few lines


Despite what you might think Eddie, Carolyn doesn't have superpowers and can't do anything you too can't do.

Not only are you now compaining about people criticising your babble but you are now complaining because they don't do your work for you.  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Argus another report Reply with quote

Eddie, it is quite easy to copy and paste even for us 76 year oldies.
Here is the report as copied from the Argus Website

LABOUR councillors are calling for a vote of no confidence in the leader and deputy leader of Blaenau Gwent council for what they say is their "abject failure to act in the best interests of the council in the wake of the Estyn report."
Last month the Argus exclusively revealed the authority had failed its children in a damning inspection and been stripped of its decision making powers in education.
Leader Des Hillman was given executive powers to appoint new members of the cabinet including Labour councillors in a bid to try and strengthen the authority in the wake of the devastating report and the current Wales Audit Office investigation into the running of the authority.
But after more than three weeks of behind closed doors discussions, Labour say the talks have broken down between them, Cllr Hillman and Deputy Leader John Mason, citing political infighting within the independent administration as the cause.
In a letter to Mayor Mike Bartlett, Labour councillors Hedley McCarthy, Steve Thomas, Brian Scully, Haydn Trollope and Bernard Willis have requested an extraordinary meeting of the council to move the vote of no confidence in the current leadership, saying: “The decision of the leadership to renege on the statement made in council (to work together with Labour councillors for the benefit of the authority) leads us to believe that the power struggle between councillors Hillman and Mason is far more important to them than the future of our children.
"We must conclude that the serious commitment given by Labour group to play a role in the unpopular administration for the benefit of Blaenau Gwent, despite initial misgivings by some, was abused and used by Cllr Hillman merely as a ploy to enable him to cling onto power at all costs."
The letter also goes on to say Cllr Hillman made the commitments to work with Labour in front of the authority’s senior external regulator and Cllr Mason at a meeting on July 19, where it is claimed he said he would be bringing in Labour councillors to take advantage of the experience they could provide and is said to have remarked: "Of course this will mean there will be winners and losers from within my own group, nevertheless I expect everyone to man up and accept the situation as the council is currently experiencing the most challenging period in its history."
The letter concludes: "We are amazed that they could change course after making such clear statements.
"They clearly have no understanding of the position we are in, or, even worse, do not care. They should both be removed from office at the very earliest opportunity."
A meeting should be convened within the next two weeks.
Cllr Mason declined to comment until he had a chance to speak to Cllr Hillman today. Cllr Hillman said: "I'm disappointed, I have invited the Labour group to be part of a recovery board. It's not about power positions or politics, I've had talks with the Labour leadership on a number of options which included bringing some of them on the executive, I've made some offers they turned down, they wanted more than I was prepared to offer. Cllr Hillman said members of the Independent group had turned down, in principle, the idea of bringing Labour councillors onto the executive as they felt it was "morally wrong" to appoint people who had failed to make the necessary tough decisions in the past. He added: "If it's a legal challenge, we'll call a special meeting and I'll deal with it when that is called - Is it about power politics or getting things done, that's what I'll be putting to them."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Argus another report Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:
Argus Monday August/ 8/ 2011
Carolyn has in the past given us a copy of Argus and Gazette reports
When asked on the last occasion why she hadn't posted Argus report on Forum about Des Hilman
Carolyn  said Eddie Legge had done so but that was missleading because Eddie had only reported a few lines
Cllr Rocke  had the Argus in mind when he said dont believe all you read in some news papers

Eddie Legge


You are the one telling porkie pies here Eddie and being missleading I was never asked why I did not post a report on anything nor did I make a reply. If I had been asked it is quite simple to do and would have done it. Evil or Very Mad Please provide a link to this conversation
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: reply Argus report Reply with quote

Thank you Mary Ann I shall do
the best I can
Read what Philip Dobbs said in Argus today
Come along and join us you shall have your say
Carolyn I am not making things up
David said suprised you didnt pick this up
And as for Martin so and so still a noisy pup

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Argus another report Reply with quote

Mary Ann wrote:
Eddie, it is quite easy to copy and paste even for us 76 year oldies.
Here is the report as copied from the Argus Website

LABOUR councillors are calling for a vote of no confidence in the leader and deputy leader of Blaenau Gwent council for what they say is their "abject failure to act in the best interests of the council in the wake of the Estyn report."
Last month the Argus exclusively revealed the authority had failed its children in a damning inspection and been stripped of its decision making powers in education.
Leader Des Hillman was given executive powers to appoint new members of the cabinet including Labour councillors in a bid to try and strengthen the authority in the wake of the devastating report and the current Wales Audit Office investigation into the running of the authority.
But after more than three weeks of behind closed doors discussions, Labour say the talks have broken down between them, Cllr Hillman and Deputy Leader John Mason, citing political infighting within the independent administration as the cause.
In a letter to Mayor Mike Bartlett, Labour councillors Hedley McCarthy, Steve Thomas, Brian Scully, Haydn Trollope and Bernard Willis have requested an extraordinary meeting of the council to move the vote of no confidence in the current leadership, saying: “The decision of the leadership to renege on the statement made in council (to work together with Labour councillors for the benefit of the authority) leads us to believe that the power struggle between councillors Hillman and Mason is far more important to them than the future of our children.
"We must conclude that the serious commitment given by Labour group to play a role in the unpopular administration for the benefit of Blaenau Gwent, despite initial misgivings by some, was abused and used by Cllr Hillman merely as a ploy to enable him to cling onto power at all costs."
The letter also goes on to say Cllr Hillman made the commitments to work with Labour in front of the authority’s senior external regulator and Cllr Mason at a meeting on July 19, where it is claimed he said he would be bringing in Labour councillors to take advantage of the experience they could provide and is said to have remarked: "Of course this will mean there will be winners and losers from within my own group, nevertheless I expect everyone to man up and accept the situation as the council is currently experiencing the most challenging period in its history."
The letter concludes: "We are amazed that they could change course after making such clear statements.
"They clearly have no understanding of the position we are in, or, even worse, do not care. They should both be removed from office at the very earliest opportunity."
A meeting should be convened within the next two weeks.
Cllr Mason declined to comment until he had a chance to speak to Cllr Hillman today. Cllr Hillman said: "I'm disappointed, I have invited the Labour group to be part of a recovery board. It's not about power positions or politics, I've had talks with the Labour leadership on a number of options which included bringing some of them on the executive, I've made some offers they turned down, they wanted more than I was prepared to offer. Cllr Hillman said members of the Independent group had turned down, in principle, the idea of bringing Labour councillors onto the executive as they felt it was "morally wrong" to appoint people who had failed to make the necessary tough decisions in the past. He added: "If it's a legal challenge, we'll call a special meeting and I'll deal with it when that is called - Is it about power politics or getting things done, that's what I'll be putting to them."


Well done Mary Ann.
And of course Eddie's got his band of helpers.

Anyway:

Rocke wrote:
Coming soon to an Argus near you - Cllr McCarthy claims Independents reneged on a deal to share power with Labour.

The bizarre thing of course is that we haven't.

After all, Labour's now got the Mayor, haven't they ?


Don't believe all you read in the Argus, unless I've said it on here already.

Predictable, ever so predictable.

Labour bullies, all gathered around the Leader, intimidating him into giving up some of his lunch, and just when they think they're going to make a meal of it there's the Leader's friends - who even Labour so deluded themselves had deserted him - coming around and making them give it all back.

So yet again instead of making a meal Cllr McCarthy's managed to make a complete fist of it.

The report was about Education, the delegated powers were about the ability to get us through and out of the Education situation, the working together was to get us through and out of the Education situation.

Typical Labour.
Education Provision = Waste disposal + Regeneration + Highways + ..........

Typical McCarthy-led Labour - megalomania, absolute control.
Where there is no fault let's plant some, where decisions have to be made let's leave it for a few years.

That's another fine mess Labour's gotten itself into.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Argus report Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:
Thank you Mary Ann I shall do
the best I can
Read what Philip Dobbs said in Argus today
Come along and join us you shall have your say
Carolyn I am not making things up
David said suprised you didnt pick this up
And as for Martin so and so still a noisy pup

Eddie Legge


The rport on the Mayor defection was not headlines in the S.W. argus when I looked earlier that morning nor did Rocky see it.

David did say he was suprised I did not pick this up and had already posted the link. Now tell me where I was asked to post the report or said Ediie had already done so

http://tilleryonline.myfreeforum.org/ftopic2894-0-asc-0.php

Rocke's comment "Don't believe all you read in the Argus" was on an entirely different thread

http://tilleryonline.myfreeforum.org/sutra15740.php#15740
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might recall a little while ago Carolyn I posted details of a failed attempt to have me investigated by the Public Services Ombudsman, in the main because of what and how I posted on here, Cllr McCarthy having taken umbrage.

You might remember that his complaint was dated 11th March but included a press cutting from the Gazette of 16th March.
I think I said at the time that Cllr McCarthy probably didn't know what day it was.

It seems that similar confusion oppresses Mr Legge.
He doesn't even know which post he's on about.

Can I also say that you've nothing to defend, and in fact if Mr Legge - in all his seeming guises - attacks you that's a compliment in itself.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:31 am    Post subject: Dont belive Reply with quote

Vicar  blasts silly games squabbles
Argus Wednesday August 10 2011-08-10
Leader Des finds himself in the firing line again
Gwent Gazette Wednesday August 10 2011-08- 10
Don't believe all you read in some newspapers
Cllr Dave Rocke Abertillery Forum Monday July 18 2011
When Cllr Rocke is in town again would he pop into
St Michael's Church and has a word with Reverend Patrick
Coleman who happens to be vice chairman of Abertillery
Comprehensive
The Rev said we need to know what is going on He also hit
back at comments from Cllr Hilman that teachers and governers
also had a responslbility for education failings at the authority ,
He said it is hugely disappointing that he not been big enough to take ownership of this issue but that he chooses to implicate hard working professionals and volunteers who do their damnedest, often despite the odds, to serve educational needs of our children
Question to Cllr Rocke from Eddie Legge
Did you know Cllr Keith Barns, Don Wilcox and deupty John Mason
would need to stand down in favour of labour councilors  with experience
And were you in the special meeting of ruling group which quashed
any such move
No lenghty replies just honest to goodnes truth how much longer are you going to support a crises prone incompetent leader

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Dont belive Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:

Question to Cllr Rocke from Eddie Legge
Did you know Cllr Keith Barns, Don Wilcox and deupty John Mason
would need to stand down in favour of labour councilors  with experience
And were you in the special meeting of ruling group which quashed
any such move
Eddie Legge


And there you go Martyn, Carolyn, Phil and everyone else that's a member of this forum.

How on Earth could an honest-to-goodness man-in-the-street come up with that ?!!!

'hedleymccarthy', 'tchambuli9', 'jack c swann' - and now 'Eddie Legge'.

Another propoganda tchambles, well and truly up the swanee.
Now Cllr McCarthy-led Labour hasn't even got a Legge to stand on.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The man is a ventriloquist's dummy. Not sure which of them is working his controls.  Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:57 pm    Post subject: Who is having who Reply with quote

Once again Abertillery Forum brains on wheels has
underestimated the ingenuity  of fools and in Carolyn
words Twits
I shall honestly admit I do not know a noun from a verb
But I do know a fish from a bird
There was a foolish man and he was also wise
He fell into a bramble bush, and scratched out both his eyes,
and when he eyes were out , he jumped into the bramble - bush,
and scratched them in again
If you would prefer me to leave my words of wisdom to a more
suitable occasion I shall readily agree

However When I reported an Argus letter about a Newport family
who couldent find without help the Guardian of the valleys not a reply from Cllr Rocke Martyn or Carolyn

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Dont belive Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:
Vicar  blasts silly games squabbles
Argus Wednesday August 10 2011-08-10
Leader Des finds himself in the firing line again
Gwent Gazette Wednesday August 10 2011-08- 10
Don't believe all you read in some newspapers
Cllr Dave Rocke Abertillery Forum Monday July 18 2011
When Cllr Rocke is in town again would he pop into
St Michael's Church and has a word with Reverend Patrick
Coleman who happens to be vice chairman of Abertillery
Comprehensive
The Rev said we need to know what is going on He also hit
back at comments from Cllr Hilman that teachers and governers
also had a responslbility for education failings at the authority ,
He said it is hugely disappointing that he has not been big enough to take ownership of this issue but that he chooses to implicate hard working professionals and volunteers who do their damnedest, often despite the odds, to serve educational needs of our children
Question to Cllr Rocke from Eddie Legge
Did you know Cllr Keith Barns, Don Wilcox and deupty John Mason
would need to stand down in favour of labour councilors  with experience
And were you in the special meeting of ruling group which quashed
any such move
No lenghty replies just honest to goodnes truth how much longer are you going to support a crises prone incompetent leader

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Who is having who Reply with quote

Eddie legge wrote:
Once again Abertillery Forum brains on wheels has
underestimated the ingenuity  of fools and in Carolyn
words Twits
I shall honestly admit I do not know a noun from a verb
But I do know a fish from a bird
There was a foolish man and he was also wise
He fell into a bramble bush, and scratched out both his eyes,
and when he eyes were out , he jumped into the bramble - bush,
and scratched them in again
If you would prefer me to leave my words of wisdom to a more
suitable occasion I shall readily agree

However When I reported an Argus letter about a Newport family
who couldent find without help the Guardian of the valleys not a reply from Cllr Rocke Martyn or Carolyn

Eddie Legge


Sorry Eddie but one has to be able to make some sense of a message before one is able to reply..unfortunatley I can make little sense out of very few or almost none of your messages. My dad is 86 and favours your band of merry men but he does not write or speak in pideon english or riddles. He believes he recieved a good secondary modern education and takes pride in it if he is unsure of his spelling he was taught to use a dictionary


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