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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: community council  Reply with quote

ajtidey wrote:
i understand that some people on here have been slagging my family and myself off with rubbish about me becoming the next town clerk of Abertillery and Llanhilleth Community Council. May i take this opportunity to say nothing can be further from the truth. I havent the slightest interest in politics and anyone who knows me also knows this.Ex councillor Rocke should know this as he knows me reasonably well and im surprised he should lead an attack on me as to my knowledge ive never done anything to him. However unless i receive a full apology then perhaps he would like a letter from my solicitor. At least he has the guts to put his name on here compared to the rest of you delightful cowards who remain anonymous.


Mmm.

Perhaps you'd quote something where I've maligned you Andrew?

You are right in one respect -  "Rocke should know this as he knows me reasonably well..." - which is er... why you won't be able to produce the goods, as they say.

Might I suggest two things?

1) NEVER get taken in by anything a bolitician says. Always be of your own mind and firstly understand what they really said (or didn't) and then find some way of verifying that they actually did.

2) Recognise that although you have lit a fuse I'm not detonating just yet.

Oh, go on, let's have no. 3 as well:

Let me know who filled your head full of that carp.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

I refer you to a post from 7th April under the title community council - town clerk. its Q3, if thats not an attack on me then i dont know what is. Also a lady entered my workplace today and congratulated me on becoming the new town clerk. as i was made redundant last week i find this v v upsetting. Dont you dare drag me into your political arguements as i have no interest in politics at all and i have done nothing to upset or anger you
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Community council Reply with quote

ajtidey wrote:
I refer you to a post from 7th April under the title community council - town clerk. its Q3, if thats not an attack on me then i dont know what is. Also a lady entered my workplace today and congratulated me on becoming the new town clerk. as i was made redundant last week i find this v v upsetting. Dont you dare drag me into your political arguements as i have no interest in politics at all and i have done nothing to upset or anger you


So, it's this one then?

Rocke wrote:
Well I'm not exactly happy to do this, because if people have qualms about something either: a) say it; or b) make a complaint and see what happens as a result.

However, I can understand why people are reluctant to put their heads above the parapet, so:

Question 1 - why has the position of Clerk to Abertillery & Llanhilleth Community Council become vacant?

Q2 - did he resign or was he pushed?

Q3 - is a candidate for the position related to any current member of A&Ll CC? and if so;
Are they related to member who has been co-opted?, and if so;
Is it one whose co-option is about to be the subject of an investigation into the manner of their co-option? , and if so;
Is it a member who has formerly held the position of Leader of A&Ll CC?

Answers on a postcard please (doesn't take that much space to write 'yes' or 'no').

Now that's what I think is a tidy summing up of all that's been said to me tonight.


How ironic that someone in your line of work reads far too much into things.
All you or someone had to do was answer 'no' to Q3 and all the rumour-mongering that was spewed all over FB (which I don't subscribe to, for those very reasons) and out onto 'the street' (which I am a part of, like it or not) would have been knocked on the head.

That in fact was what I was trying to precipitate. A&LCC is far too secretive, ham-fisted and couched in the old boy scratch my back nepotistic traditions of the past to be anywhere near open and transparent, and hence anything remotely to do with it becomes a free-for-all.

So, instead of someone answering the question and you not having to become aggrieved instead we have you making Strike 2.

I suggest that you are now close to jumping into the stinking swamp of local bolitics.

Oh - and next time someone indicates to you that they have been misinformed would it not be a good idea to ask for the source of that fallacy?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:45 am    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

how could i reply when i didnt know about it until yesterday. Thats why im replying now. Also the lady concerned told me the source of the rumours. you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said, let me know who's been a naughty girl   Laughing

So, some lady comes into the Library, congratulates you on becoming the new Lord of the Feifdom and says that 'David Rocke told me' ????????

Funny that I don't recall telling anyone (being told, yes - but as I said, always find out for yourself) that.

Of course, we've now crossed the Rubicon because clearly nothing I say or advise is going to change your stance especially since you seem to be doing exactly the thing you've accused me of ie. listening to, taking for granted and then propogating rumour and hearsay.

Welcome to the world of bolitics.
Sink or swim, as they say.

Now then, let's get a starter for 10 - labolur party member by any chance ?     Wink

Btw - don't get one of the Labour Party's solicitors.
If they're as good as their PR clowns you won't last until Christmas.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:03 pm    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

Actually thats where you are wrong. i'm prepared to forgive and forget as thats my nature. What i'm angry about is why i have been dragged into pointless political crap when i have never been a councillor or never will be one as i have no interest. The lady is actually 72 years of age from either Brookside or Roberts Row who was pleased that i had found alternative employment and said she had read it on here so obviously i had to read it and i wanted to defend myself and put the matter straight. As i have said i have no personal problem against you (never have had, actually voted for you)but as you can surely appreciate i need to know whats going on as if people think i already have a job, i'm not going to get another. Also as i DO know you and as said yesterday at least you have the guts to put your real name on here i was hoping to get to the heart of the matter. I also am not a member of fb for the reasons you stated but it seems to me this site is far more dangerous.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Community council Reply with quote

ajtidey wrote:
Actually thats where you are wrong. i'm prepared to forgive and forget as thats my nature. What i'm angry about is why i have been dragged into pointless political crap when i have never been a councillor or never will be one as i have no interest. The lady is actually 72 years of age from either Brookside or Roberts Row who was pleased that i had found alternative employment and said she had read it on here so obviously i had to read it and i wanted to defend myself and put the matter straight. As i have said i have no personal problem against you (never have had, actually voted for you)but as you can surely appreciate i need to know whats going on as if people think i already have a job, i'm not going to get another. Also as i DO know you and as said yesterday at least you have the guts to put your real name on here i was hoping to get to the heart of the matter. I also am not a member of fb for the reasons you stated but it seems to me this site is far more dangerous.


Hang on.
YOU'RE "prepared to forgive and forget" ????????????????????

Let's get this right.
You claim that I know you well enough to know you're not the political sort etc.
If that's the case you should know me well enough to know I don't do the sort of things you believe I have.
So, do you not think that your anger etc. would pale into insignificance when compared to mine, having been charged, tried and found guilty on the say-so of someone who is probably either a sheep (for following the party line) or a donkey (for believing all they read and/or are told) ?????????????  

Listen Andrew, Gordon Brown didn't get slated for calling someone a bigot, he got crucified for calling a little old lady a bigot.
These people who are agitating you are looking for me to go bananas on someone who hasn't put a foot wrong, who is respected and who wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose.
Then it would be 'well Rocke's OK having a go at an old man who politically disagrees with him but doesn't like it when an upright and non-political man in the street sticks up for himself'.

Fwiw I am incandescent at the approach you have taken over this, mainly because this is being played out in full public view, and regrettably people STILL have to be made/kept aware that I'm not some shrinking violet who turns the other cheek when my reputation is impugned.

You - and I apologise for saying it straight - are being used in the same way that Mr Legge was and consequently your posts will be treated the same way as his was.

Please don't end up the way 'he' did.

Read and take in what THAT post said.

No, I'll give you the story.

In April I was approached by someone regarding the vacancy for 'Town Clerk'. It seems that FB was alive with this gossip, that rumour etc. etc.
I was clearly being primed to initiate a witch hunt.

So:

1) "I'm not exactly happy to do this, because if people have qualms about something either: a) say it; or b) make a complaint and see what happens as a result. "
Yep, I'm not happy about having to put my name to questions people want answered (not least because the stock response is 'he's only doing it because he's miffed about not being a councillor any more'.
If the 'town council' was open about things, not run like a fiefdom (and that's more a reflection on councillors and weak governance than the clerk) then no-one could have suspicions.
The proof of that is the way the vacancy was 'advertised' (if you could call it that).

2) Q's 1 & 2 were asked of me. I proffered an opinion but of course it's not my opinion that counts but fact.

3) Councillors, activists etc. read Abertillery Online (and act on it, witness Jubilee Square being a bit more accessible now, the storm about the War Memorial relocation etc.) and I think it's good that they know they are being er.... monitored and respond accordingly ie. to public wishes.
Oh - and er.... the former town clerk's resignation subsequent to certain posts on here does lead one to believe that AoL is a potent lobbyist.  Wink

4) Your name was specifically mentioned. As we've already established we know each other well and I found it unedifying that you were potentially being sullied with accusations of nepotism.
I think the words were "rumour has it that ...........".
Therefore the question was asked.
All it needed was a 'no' somewhere along the line.
Ironically it appears that a 'no' was correct, and indeed would have obviated this whole thread.

Ask yourself - why has a post from April suddenly become hot news in late June?
I suggest it's because of a post on 19th June, where Brithyll posted:

"I can confirm that the appointed Town Clerk has had the offer revoked  and the job has gone to the son of a town councillor from what I've been told. Name of Tidey?

His mother is on the town council apparantly.
"

I of course, being keen to be helpful, pointed out that it could only be "Christine Tidey, who's appointment (as co-opted member) is soon to be the subject of scrutiny".
There's nothing there that mentions you.

And neither is there farther on, when I provide advice for the apparent victim of a (implied) breach of contract.

And the final bit: "Not so much tidying the rubbish but rubbishing the Tidey (mater that is) ?" clearly does not relate to you.  

It will be apparent now that I fight - even relish fighting - my own battles, and I'm one to meet things full on.

You don't have a battle to fight.
You never did.

So why let someone drag you into theirs?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:46 am    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

First up thanks for setting the story straight. At least this can be put to bed now as far as I'm concerned. I am not being used as anybody's pawn politically. I genuinely knew nothing about any of this until Wednesday. I know a hell of a lot now obviously. It was the nepotism accusations that angered me as I never applied for any position or even knew it was up for grabs. You're right in that YOU didn't mention me by name but no other gutless bastard will put their name on here and I needed to know what exactly happened. If the matter was of such concern why didn't you or Martin Thomas come and ask me directly. I would have laughed it off like the bollocks it is. I'm very approachable as you know. I neither know or indeed care how the council is run and this is closed now. I hope that everyone on here now realises I am not or never will be a town clerk. Thanks again Dai
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was never my place to ask Andy.
I was never interested or involved in anything regarding the appointment of a new town clerk.

I wasn't happy at being used as a mouthpiece and in all honesty it was more to get rumour either knocked on the head or solidified into fact.

To be fair, one of the people who mentioned it to me has a link to the town council, so I could understand that they wanted their name left out, for fear of er.... childish reprisals.

Anyway, all's well that ends well.

We now just have to wait and see which of us has the biggest grin on our face next time we pass in the street.    Smile

Cheers mate !
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

thank f~~~ for that. I was 1 step away from walking up and down church street in the morning with a sandwich board in order to clear my name. its just a shame that whoever it was involved you and couldn't speak to me directly. I have even found out this morning that this subject was mentioned on a rugby tour to Perpigian in late March. never knew i was so popular, Suarez got F""" all on me mate. This is how rumours can lead to all sorts of altercations. i was also in a boiling rage which i why i needed it sorted, its a pity brynthll or wotever wouldnt contact me so i could put him or her straight.

see you about dai
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough someone said to me the other day that your first job as town clerk was to find other towns to twin with.

ONLY JOKING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

now thats quite funny. This time yesterday no but today not bad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Community council Reply with quote

ajtidey wrote:
First up thanks for setting the story straight. At least this can be put to bed now as far as I'm concerned. I am not being used as anybody's pawn politically. I genuinely knew nothing about any of this until Wednesday. I know a hell of a lot now obviously. It was the nepotism accusations that angered me as I never applied for any position or even knew it was up for grabs. You're right in that YOU didn't mention me by name but no other gutless bastard will put their name on here and I needed to know what exactly happened. If the matter was of such concern why didn't you or Martin Thomas come and ask me directly. I would have laughed it off like the bollocks it is. I'm very approachable as you know. I neither know or indeed care how the council is run and this is closed now. I hope that everyone on here now realises I am not or never will be a town clerk. Thanks again Dai

Where the hell do I come into this? I very rarely post on here any more and I have never brought you into any posting I've made on the Community Council or anything else.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:15 am    Post subject: Community council Reply with quote

[b may I refer you to your post from Mon April 7 under community council town clerk. I have no intention of beginning this again as Dai explained everything I needed to know but you insinuate there that I would have applied had you not brought it to people's attention when nothing could be further from the truth. Just clearing my name. Sure you understand[/b]
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case anyone can't be bothered checking the post you are referring to Andrew here it is

martyn142 wrote:
The answers are:
q1 - because the current clerk is resigning
q2 - don't know
q3 - no such candidate applied when the job was first advertised and is very unlikely to apply now it's been readvertised. You can draw your own conclusioons about whether they might have had it not been put under such close scrutiny already (see kd's comment).


I specifically haven't mentioned you or anyone else by name (which is a courtesy you didn't extend to me of course) as I had no idea if the stories I had heard were true. And that's as much as I intend to say on the matter.


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