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Blaenau Gwent Chapelyard.
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Rocke



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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:25 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

From what I'm given to understand ('local knowledge' ie. people in the locality who've lived there for quite a few years) gravestones were retrieved and some (only a few) were/are placed against the new Church walls.

However, in tandem with the former chapel being demolished, the new church and - more importantly - Corbin Court springing up I'm reliably informd by an eyewitness that bulldozing caused some graves (note - I'm not saying headstones, that's uncertain) to be buried.

On Ian's map/plan of the chapelyard I'm uncertain whether the original chapel building's grounds are on there as well (if so they would be Rows 1-10, 'graves' 40-upward.
The path is still there and from my recent visit I'd say the area I've mentioned is (or contains) the original grounds.
I can try to map it out if you wish.

Would would be useful is any old photographs (such as yours) but taken from the South ie. looking straight up towards BG. That would enable us to see how close to the orginal building graves/headstones were. There is the possibility that Corbin Court or part of its area does cover graves.

If I remember rightly when we were kids there was a grass bank leading up to and around the building, so there wouldn't have been graves there to be honest.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Rocke very helpful. There are a number of old maps for Abertillery here:

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

The one for 1962 is probably the most interesting, as the boundaries between the church and the graveyard are relatively clear.

This and the modern plans superimpose on each other quite closely. It makes perfect sense that soil was moved about burying graves .  This should never have happened as I assume the Corben Court land was sold and separate! If you can add more with a sketch that would be great. I keep trying to refine my plan as others give me more  information. I don't suppose you know who the contractor was and if they still exist?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Fiche 80 Reply with quote

Gwent Family History Society Fiche 80 is apparently what was recorded by the Council in 1979 (Great and very accurate work from the GFHS by the way). Given all the inconsistencies I have worked through the Fiche  record by record about 2 and a half thousand just in the Fiche! As it's all so inconsistent I had no choice but to try and check every one! It really seems to be incredibly badly done by the Council, this all seems a very poor record. I really wonder what on earth was going on.

We did make a freedom of information request to the church and the council on 6 May 2014 but have had no response to date.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Fiche 80 Reply with quote

IEH wrote:
Gwent Family History Society Fiche 80 is apparently what was recorded by the Council in 1979 (Great and very accurate work from the GFHS by the way). Given all the inconsistencies I have worked through the Fiche  record by record about 2 and a half thousand just in the Fiche! As it's all so inconsistent I had no choice but to try and check every one! It really seems to be incredibly badly done by the Council, this all seems a very poor record. I really wonder what on earth was going on.

We did make a freedom of information request to the church and the council on 6 May 2014 but have had no response to date.


The Church isn't covered/governed by the FOI Act Ian.
BUT the Council is.

And it has 20 working days in which to respond to requests under the FOIA.

I bet you get a response in the VERY near future.

Anyway, post the question you asked on here, and I'll give advice on whether it was phrased in such a way as to get what you actually wanted out of the council.

The FOI Ac t, I'm afraid, is very much like dealing with Sir Humphrey in Yes (Prime) Minister.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still working on what happened to the gravestones. But on another front  I am combining all the known information as it stands for the GFHS. A bit of a mission to say the least.  If anyone has family there not recorded or want to add a short tribute let us know by the end of September 2014.  Like dragongirl and us, I know there are many people there not recorded.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Blaenau Gwent Chapelyard. Reply with quote

Reverend Thomas Towy Evans was pastor up there for 34 years and his daughter Margaret Towy Evans who died 01 February 1984 had a gravestone up there as well.
Scandalous what they did.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Blaenau Gwent Chapelyard. Reply with quote

Rocke, rumour on the street that the council has relented on wreaths being laid up there for those who fell in the Great War.
Couple of others who were commemorated up there were Boaz Williams who was killed in France 8 May 1915, aged 19. He had a scroll on grave 70 in plot 1, and  William Edgar Curnuck who died of wounds received in Salonika 26 April 1917, aged 30. He had an obelisk on grave 151 plot 4.
Can't imagine you'll find those graves but see if the legion has the information.


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