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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family - My Grandfather William Edgar Castree  Reply with quote

My Grandfather William Edgar Castree.

As I was browsing through the various Census records I got that feeling that back in those days the Welsh Valleys were a bit like a black gold ďKlondikeĒ.  In order to find work possibly in preference to being in the Workhouse, men mostly, were arriving from all over the country and lodging wherever they could find a place to sleep.  So it must have been for my grandfather who had arrived from Orcop just up the road in Herefordshire.  However, try as I might to tease out where he was on the 1911 Census Iíve been unable to find him although I was able to find his elder brother John, lodging at 32 Lancaster Street working as an Underground Haulier.

The first notice I have of him was when he enlisted on the 26/3/1912 into 2nd line 3rd Battalion the Monmouthshire Regiment where, in a small corner note on his documents, he was described as being 19 years old, single and a collier.  Why he took this step to join up is unclear.  Was it patriotism or shortage of work?  I guess weíll never know.

The next time Iím able to pin him down was when he married Minnie Hellings on 09/04/1914.  They were married in the English Baptist Chapel, Abertillery by the Minister A W Pearce.  Here William Edgar Castree age 21 years is described as a Coal Hewer living at 32 Lancaster Street, Six Bells. (The same place his brother was living at 3 years earlier??)  Minnie, my grandmother, was age 18 and living at 18 Lancaster Street, Six Bells.  

William Edgarís military records show him to have been then living at 8 Preston Street, Abertillery.  These same records also show his last employer as being John Lancaster and Co. coal miners, Abertillery.

By early 1915 Minnie gave birth to William Edgar (Bill) Castree who would eventually lose his life in a mining accident on the 24/11/1948 down the Arael Griffin Colliery.  (Remembered by stoob in his mammoth contribution covering the Mines.  Itís a great piece of work.  Thank you.)

After my grandfather returned from WW1 without the lower half of his left leg he got busy and my father Clifford John Castree was born on 30/10/1918 in 8 Preston Street, Abertillery.

This followed up with: Pearl in 1920; Ivor & Laura early in 1921 who sadly died later on in the same year; Violet (Vie) in 1926; Robert K (Ken) in 1930 and finally Ronald E (Ron) in 1934.

By 1939 the 1939 Register had them at 5 Richmond Road, Abertillery when it had him as Underground Labourer (Underground)!  Also there was Minnie my grandmother and Catherine Mizon my great grandmother from my grandmotherís side and Violet my aunt.  Curiously none of the others in the family come up in the search except for William Edgar junior (Bill) who is found living with the Croft Household at 91 Richmond Road and is register as a Coal Miner On Conveyor.

Minnie died in Abertillery in 1973 at the age of 76.

William died 09/01/1991 of bronchopneumonia, in Ty Darren Residential Care home Cromwell Road, Risca, Newport, Gwent, NP11 6GX at the age of 98.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject: The Castree Family - William Edgar Castree Reply with quote

Hi Taff

Notice your grandfather was 3rd Mons, fortunate he wasn't at Elverdinghe; - †Blaenau Gwent lost 32 that afternoon, it was the centenary in 1915 and not a single wreathe laid across the borough, so much for we shall not forget them.
Looked at Castree burials, none up Blaenau Gwent or Cwmtillery, so if it's local it'll be Brynithel. Supposedly they have records over Tredegar library, emailed them many a time via their online form but have never received a reply.
Going back to the 3rd Mons, you can contact Shaun McGuire via his online site Monmouthshire Warriors and he can put you in touch with other 3rd Mon experts, most of them on the Great War Forum.
Possible to pick the Castree's up on the electoral registers, but just those of voting age, and sometimes lodgers were omitted.
The English Baptist Chapel, was in Cwmtillery: - Out of the Blue Artifacts, (Abertillery History, page 4).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: The Castree Family - William Edgar Castree Reply with quote

Hi Stoob

Thanks for the very detailed reply it is very useful and some good pointers for me to follow up.  It seems Remembrance is something only done by the elders these days.  It does seem surprising there was no one from the British Legion there to do the honours.  Theyíre usually quite good at that sort of thing but even they seem to be diminishing in numbers.

In respect of the location of the English Baptist Chapel Abertillery I have only copied down verbatim what is written, in beautiful handwriting, on their Marriage Certificate.  Very few seem capable of writing like that these days.  So as to its true location Iím unable to comment.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family - William Edgar Castree Reply with quote

Taff

Wasn't referring to the Legion, the Town Council own the memorial.
There's also a borough council and Tredegar town council.
All the councils are culpable.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject: My Father Clifford John Castree born on 30/10/1918 Reply with quote

My Father Clifford John Castree born on 30/10/1918 in 8 Preston Street, Abertillery.

Iíve often tried to imagine what sort of childhood my father went through amid the coal dust, heavy industrial atmosphere and family pressures.  It seems that despite his missing leg my grandfather went back to working down the mine but whether it provided the amount of money he needed to keep a growing family is difficult to ponder.  Despite those pressures my father seems to have had a pretty good education.  Would he have gone to the Areal School Warm Turn Six Bells I wonder?  His handwriting was beautiful and he was very numerate, able to work out quite complex mathematical problems very easily.  Nevertheless, despite being well educated, it seems, in those days it was such that once you had completed your schooling it was time to leave the nest, get out and look after yourself.

My father would have left school at the age of 14 which would have been at the end of 1932 or beginning of 1933.  It is quite probable, as there was very little other work that area, he would have started somewhere in the coal mining industry around that time.  Until 1937 it was quite permitted for boys to work in the mine at the age of 14.  Whether he went underground at that time Iíve no idea as he never talked about it.   However, from the few short discussions we ever had it was clear that he had certainly worked at the coal face as a Hewer.  His last employer was Crumlin Valley Collieries Ltd from October 1934 to June 1938.  His forehead nose and shoulders bore the evidence with numerous coal tattoos.

Clearly this was not a life he wanted and joined the RAF on 26/06/1938.  He served for 9 years and left on the 28/07/1947.  He settled down in the small village of Hambleton, Rutland.

He was plagued with ill health and was one of the first 8 people to receive open heart surgery in the 1950ís.  He died on 18/06/1992 in the Rutland Memorial Hospital from Rectal Carcinoma.  He is buried at St Andrew church, Hambleton Rutland.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: The Castree Family Reply with quote

Catherine E Mizon - 11 Preston Street, Abertillery - age 50 - registration of burial 09 February 1952 - grave 3/289 - St. Paul's Cwmtillery.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family - Hellings - Mizon Reply with quote

Thank you stoob, no pun intend but you are a mine of information.  However, Iím not sure it is absolutely correct.  Could the 5 of 50 be an 8 for 80?

Katherine Elizabeth (Kate) Hellings nťe Clevely. Born in 1871 Bedminster, Bristol Gloucestershire. There is no direct evidence of her true birth date.  Only of her Baptism. The only reason we know her family surname is from the Birth Certificate of Minnie where it is shown to be Clevely.  In the 1901 and 1911 Census she is shown as Kate being born in Bristol, Gloucestershire.

She was married on the 21/07/1889 in Bedminster, Bristol Gloucestershire to Albert Hellings.  They had moved to The Valleys where he worked as a Miner - Timber Man Underground.

They had the following children: Beatrice Cwmtylery 1892; Minnie, my grandmother, who was born in Cwmtylery Monmouthshire on 03/04/1897; Violet Cwmtylery 1899; Dolly Cwmtylery 1904; and Willie Cwmtylery 1906.  The 1911 Census indicates that she'd also had 4 children that had died.

Kate's first husband Albert died in 1907, probably in a mining accident leaving her a widow with 5 children.

She married again to William Mizon on 19/07/1908 at St Michael's Abertillery, Monmouthshire.

She had 2 more children from William: George Cwmtylery 1910 and Sidney Cwmtylery 1912.

She died in the first quarter of 1952 age 80 in the District of Bedwellty.  Iím sure this is the same lady but not age 50.

Iíve still a lot of research to do on this side of my family and this little gem is very welcome.  Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:08 am    Post subject: Th e Castree Family Reply with quote

Hi mate

I have a couple of books on St. Pauls; - register of burials and monumental inscriptions. She was listed as such in the first book and there are many incorrect facts, depends who was giving the information out.
Noticed the surname Mizen as well at both Cwmtillery and Blaenau Gwent.

Hellings burial dates Cwmtillery: -

Catherine Elizabeth, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 15.05.1897 age 6
John, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 12.03.1898 age 75
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 27.02.1905 age 2
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 11.12.1907 age 47
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family - Hellings Reply with quote

Once again stoob you have been really helpful even if it has brought some confusion.

In the 1911 Census Kate Mizon formally Hellings declared that 4 of her children had died.  Two of those children you have identified as Catherine Elizabeth, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery age 6 and Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery age 2.  I have found the evidence that both of these childrenís births were registered.  That leaves 2 others.  Might they have been still born or died during childbirth and they thought not to register or officially bury them?  Not to register a birth would not be unusual for this family seeing that I can find no evidence of Beatrice, born in Cwmtillery 1892, being registered!  The only reason we know of her is through the 1901 and 1911 Censuses.

Initially I thought that John Hellings was unrelated until I realised that he was given as to have been living in the same address as was Catherine Elizabeth 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery!!  None of this registers on the 1891 Census!  By all accounts he comes from Culmstock in Devon.  He might even be related but so, far from the Census records, Iíve been unable to find a direct link.  Work in progress.

Thanks again stoob.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family Reply with quote

William Edgar Castree died as a result of a roof fall. The inquest was in the South Wales Gazette dated 03 December 1948 and the funeral report was in the South Wales Gazette dated 10 December 1948, (page 6) - he was living at 51 Tillery Street.

Albert Hellings died on 07 December 1907. According to the South Wales Gazette dated 13 December 1907 it was after a long illness, he was residing Gaen Street.

1951 electoral register for 11 Preston Street, Abertillery.
William E Hellings
Elizabeth F J Hellings
Catherine E Mizon
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: The Castree Family Reply with quote

Stoob you are amazing.  Iíd tried the News Paper route and got absolutely nowhere!

My father looked up to his elder brother quite a lot and was clearly upset over his death.  My uncle Ken visited us some time in the mid-1950s and my father never stopped going on about it, saying that heíd kept on telling him he should get out of mining.  On the death certificate it states that the cause of death was a ĎCompound fracture of the vault and base of the skull caused by a fall of roof, accident, no pmí.  Hardly a point of having a pm when the injuries are that obvious!  Sadly it left behind his widow Sarah and 8 year old daughter Jeanette.

As for the 'Hellings' - William was Catherineís son born in 1906.  It would appear that he married Elizabeth in late 1947.  At this time in 1951 they were clearly looking after his mother, my great grandmother as she was getting quite old.  As you have already noted she died the next year age 80!

Iím very grateful for all your help.  There is quite a picture of my family building up.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:07 am    Post subject: The Castree Family Reply with quote

Hi Taff

Few more surname Castree, probably not related but I'll leave them on here in case there's silent Castree's viewing your post

CASTREE. A. J. - served 1914-1918 - commemorated on the Central Memorial, Wonastow, Monmouth.

CASTREE. HENRY THOMAS (HARRY) - Private 9802 - Depot South Wales Borderers - died 3rd January 1916 at home - age 32 - born in Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, enlisted at Ebbw Vale, son of Elizabeth and Thomas Castree of Ballingham Hill, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, served in the Dardanelles, India, North China and Tsing-tao - buried at St. Dubricius Churchyard, Ballingham, Herefordshire - memorial reference - North of church tower

CASTREE. RONALD GEORGE - Private 3911826 - Herefordshire Regiment - died 17th October 1944 - age 29 - resident of 84 Drysiog Street, Ebbw Vale. son of Herbert and Emily Castree of Ebbw Vale - buried at Mierlo War Cemetery, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands - memorial reference - VII G 11 - commemorated in the Beaufort, Ebbw Vale and Waunlwyd Districts Book of Remembrance - commemorated on the Oak Panel Memorial, Christchurch, Church Crescent, Ebbw Vale - commemorated on the Ebbw Vale Ex-Servicemenís Institute Memorial, Queens Square Hill, Ebbw Vale.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The Castree Family Reply with quote

stoob wrote:
Hi Taff

Few more surname Castree, probably not related but I'll leave them on here in case there's silent Castree's viewing your post

CASTREE. A. J. - served 1914-1918 - commemorated on the Central Memorial, Wonastow, Monmouth.

CASTREE. HENRY THOMAS (HARRY) - Private 9802 - Depot South Wales Borderers - died 3rd January 1916 at home - age 32 - born in Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, enlisted at Ebbw Vale, son of Elizabeth and Thomas Castree of Ballingham Hill, Holme Lacy, Herefordshire, served in the Dardanelles, India, North China and Tsing-tao - buried at St. Dubricius Churchyard, Ballingham, Herefordshire - memorial reference - North of church tower

CASTREE. RONALD GEORGE - Private 3911826 - Herefordshire Regiment - died 17th October 1944 - age 29 - resident of 84 Drysiog Street, Ebbw Vale. son of Herbert and Emily Castree of Ebbw Vale - buried at Mierlo War Cemetery, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands - memorial reference - VII G 11 - commemorated in the Beaufort, Ebbw Vale and Waunlwyd Districts Book of Remembrance - commemorated on the Oak Panel Memorial, Christchurch, Church Crescent, Ebbw Vale - commemorated on the Ebbw Vale Ex-Servicemenís Institute Memorial, Queens Square Hill, Ebbw Vale.

As far as I can see CASTREE. HENRY THOMAS (HARRY) & CASTREE. RONALD GEORGE are related.  The father and mother, Thomas and Elizabeth Castree, of CASTREE. HENRY THOMAS (HARRY) are also the father and mother of Herbert Castree.  There may be a very distant relationship to my Tribe who have their origins in Much Dewchurch, Herefordshire but so far I haven't found it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: The Castree Family Reply with quote

stoob wrote:
Hi mate

I have a couple of books on St. Pauls; - register of burials and monumental inscriptions. She was listed as such in the first book and there are many incorrect facts, depends who was giving the information out.
Noticed the surname Mizen as well at both Cwmtillery and Blaenau Gwent.

Hellings burial dates Cwmtillery: -

Catherine Elizabeth, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 15.05.1897 age 6
John, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 12.03.1898 age 75
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 27.02.1905 age 2
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 11.12.1907 age 47


An update:  I now know that John Hellings was my Great, Great, Grandfather on my Grandmothers side.  His death certificate states that he died on the 9th March 1898 age 75.  His occupation was given as a wood sawyer.  He died from a Cerebral Haemorrhage and was in a coma for 3 days before he passed away.  Interestingly my Great Grandmother must have been illiterate as she signed with an ďXĒ The mark of Kate Hellings Daughter-in-law. Present at death.  Itís hard to grasp just how poorly educated folk were in those days!

The South Wales Gazette dated 13 December 1907 reported my Great Grandfather Albert died, age 47, after a long illness!  The Death Certificate reads 'Cerebral Tumour 6 months Syncope gradual'.  So I guess that reads he died from cancerous brain tumour and was in and out of consciousness for 6 months.  Begs the question how she survived this period with no income?  Iím guessing the neighbours all helped where they could.

Ultimately Kate dies at the age of 80 from Cardiac failure, Myocardial Degeneration and Bronchitis.  Considering the number of children sheíd had and the tough life she had endured she lived a pretty long life.  A tough lot in those days.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: The Mizon Mystery Reply with quote

stoob wrote:
Hi mate

I have a couple of books on St. Pauls; - register of burials and monumental inscriptions. She was listed as such in the first book and there are many incorrect facts, depends who was giving the information out.
Noticed the surname Mizen as well at both Cwmtillery and Blaenau Gwent.

Hellings burial dates Cwmtillery: -

Catherine Elizabeth, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 15.05.1897 age 6
John, 67 West Bank, Cwmtillery, 12.03.1898 age 75
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 27.02.1905 age 2
Albert Edward, 6 Gaen Street, Abertillery, 11.12.1907 age 47


Iím beginning to feel that Genealogy is a bit like reading an exciting novel then turning over to find someone has removed the next page.  My step great grandfather William Mizon is one of those missing pages. Whilst there is no direct relationship to me I was pondering the wellbeing of my Great Grandmother who was by then Kate Mizon.  The only information I can find about him is from the marriage documents and the 1911 Census.  He appears to have come from Paddington, London and after 1912 seems to have vanished.

I can find no record of his birth or birth place shown in the 1911 Census.  On the marriage document his father was said to be William Mizon who was a contractor.  None of this information can be found in earlier Census records.  After his last son, Sidney, was born there is a similar information vacuum.  It may be fair to presume that he went off to WW1 like many of the others.  Was he killed and never returned?  I can find no evidence of his death at war or otherwise.  I found a W C Mizon age 34 on the 23/08/1916, service number 19048 from the South Wales Borderers.  Medical Records of Servicemen from No. 31 Casualty Clearing Station in the Macedonian Front.  This has to be the Walter Mizen from 1, George Street, Abertillery noted by Stoob as 1918 absent voters.  I canít find any record of his death in the War Grave Commission database.  Sadly he did not appear to have a Medal Index Card either.  Was he killed in the Battle of Machukovo on the 10/08/1916 where there were 28 killed, 98 wounded and 21 missing?  Who knows but despite his similar age and home town it does not seem to be William Mizon Ė or could it be him?  By the 23/08/1916 he had served for 1 year 7 Months, 11 Months of that with the Field Force.  So he would have joined the South Wales Borderers in the January of 1915.

As I was researching this part of the family happenings I came across the fact that William Mizons first son George born in Cwmtillery in 1910, died in 1911, 1 Year old!  However, his second son Sidney born in Cwmtillery in 1912 had lived at 10 Preston Street Abertillery and on 08/05/1928 he emigrated to Australia, age 16.  Occupation: Tin Worker.  I wonder if he had the misfortune to get caught up in the Second World War!

It seems that my Great Grandmother never had much luck with the longevity of the men she married.

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